Desmond Tutu on Hamas & The Israeli Blockade of Gaza

[rachamim18]

Gradnma: Cutting out the insults leaves very little to examine.

Basically...

I) "Why trawl thousands of posts if info is readily available?": Because unlike some, I try to expose myself to as many disparate viewpoints as possible. I believe it allows me to elarn mroe and offers me a far greater chance of getting things correct. Examining a single source proves what?

II)"Rachamim's style of posting is so frustrating that many do not even engage him in the forum.": No. Many do not engage Rachamim because many feel that anything representing a different viewpoint, especially when so factually presented, threatens their world view.

It is quite disconcerting to have a person who actually lives the thing you talk about telling you that you are making mistakes. People are quite inflexible in their ideological outlooks and feel they need to box themselves in with static lables like ":anarchist," "communist," "leftist," and the like.

People can also identify just as infelxible with so called "right-wing" outlooks but here on U75 the vast majority are "left" leaning. Then here comes a person who not only lives the dynamic but takes a totally (often) different viewpoint. It often enrages people and that is natural when a person feels off balance.

Nino: No Nino, have no fear. You did not insult me. I feel sorry for people who rely on Wiki for verification of things. To each their own. As I myself told you, the definitions are correct. It is the source I take issue with.

I libeled fop-dandy Tutu? OK, after he libeled every Jew on Earth.

 

[Grandma Death]

Gradnma: Cutting out the insults leaves very little to examine.

Uh oh...the ad hom defence. Predictable

I) "Why trawl thousands of posts if info is readily available?": Because unlike some, I try to expose myself to as many disparate viewpoints as possible. I believe it allows me to elarn mroe and offers me a far greater chance of getting things correct. Examining a single source proves what?

You are all over the place mate. I really have no idea what you are trying to say here except some sort of willy waving exercise where you blow your own trumpet about your research skills (which lets face it are non existent)...

I'll spell it out for you shall I?

You said the evidence illustrating Tutus hatred of Jews was readily available and easy to find. Easy to find and readily available isn't 'trawling through thousands of sources'. So either it was a bad choice of words OR once again you're lying.

II)"Rachamim's style of posting is so frustrating that many do not even engage him in the forum.":

Oh look yet another misquote

Many do not engage Rachamim because many feel that anything representing a different viewpoint, especially when so factually presented, threatens their world view.

TBH You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse mate.

It is quite disconcerting to have a person who actually lives the thing you talk about telling you that you are making mistakes. People are quite inflexible in their ideological outlooks and feel they need to box themselves in with static lables like ":anarchist," "communist," "leftist," and the like.

Waffle.

People can also identify just as infelxible with so called "right-wing" outlooks but here on U75 the vast majority are "left" leaning. Then here comes a person who not only lives the dynamic but takes a totally (often) different viewpoint. It often enrages people and that is natural when a person feels off balance.

He's on a role now.....

OK, after he libeled every Jew on Earth.

Must be because he has a 'hatred of jews' eh.....

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: No Nino, have no fear. You did not insult me. I feel sorry for people who rely on Wiki for verification of things. To each their own. As I myself told you, the definitions are correct. It is the source I take issue with.

I libeled fop-dandy Tutu? OK, after he libeled every Jew on Earth.

You talk shite and you expect people to take you seriously? Wtf has this got to do with anything? You still insist that Bishop Tutu is an anti-Semite, yet you have no proof of this; therefore you are libelling him. Either retract the statement or I shall report you.

 

[rachamim18]

Grandma: "Ad hom defence...": Because NOONE EVER uses ad homs in relation to me. Riiiight.

As for the rest of the non-related thread "banter," I am sure you will forgive me if I ignore it and concentrate strictly on real subject matter. WAIT! THERE IS NONE!

Nino:AGAIN, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE TERM "ANTI-SEMITIE" MAKES ANY SENSE.

 

[nino_savatte]

How convenient for you. You can run and hide behind semantics all you like (In fact, this is indicative of the level of your dishonesty. You and Canuck are truly soulmates in this regard) but be prepared to get called on it.

 

[Grandma Death]

Grandma: "Ad hom defence...": Because NOONE EVER uses ad homs in relation to me. Riiiight.

Ive not said otherwise Rach. Read my post (I know its difficult for you to do so). I've pointed out how you often use the ad hom defence in your replies. Even where there are none (in this and other threads)

As for the rest of the non-related thread "banter," I am sure you will forgive me if I ignore it and concentrate strictly on real subject matter. WAIT! THERE IS NONE!

There is.....where's the list? (with links please)

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: Ironically, as I noted yesterday in the other Tutu thead, even Tutu said himself that "anti-Semitism" as a word or prase makes no sense so yeah, "call me on it."

Grandma: "Ad hom defence.": I simply state, and will repeat, that I see no reason whatsoever why I should seek to satisfy anyone who uses such horrid language not only near me but to me. You can take it mean wjatever you want.

As for the "list," already provided it. As for links, I will rpeat what I said there and remind you that it is quirte easy to search yopurself since I provided ALL relevant info on the 10 listed points.

 

[Grandma Death]

As for the "list," already provided it. As for links, I will rpeat what I said there and remind you that it is quirte easy to search yopurself since I provided ALL relevant info on the 10 listed points.

Without links it means zippo.

Once again you've been caught out lying.

 

[rachamim18]

One would think that since I not only gave dates but all info on publications that a normal minded person could quite easily verify OR disprove everything I stated. Of course you would much rather spend your time insulting me so the issue is moot. Carry on...

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: Ironically, as I noted yesterday in the other Tutu thead, even Tutu said himself that "anti-Semitism" as a word or prase makes no sense so yeah, "call me on it."

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Really? Cite your source then...or shut up.

 

[Grandma Death]

One would think that since I not only gave dates but all info on publications that a normal minded person could quite easily verify OR disprove everything I stated. Of course you would much rather spend your time insulting me so the issue is moot. Carry on...

The last time you quoted the JP (and I can find the thread before you even ask) I did try and research a timeline your provided on a link free quote from the site. I found nothing-so excuse me for not trusting you.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: "Rachamim needs to cite his source son the Tutu brouhaha.": I did, immediately after each quote. Take a look and then apologise.
Listing hyperlinks is not attributing a source, mentioning a source by name and date though IS.


Grandma: "The last time Rachamim quoted the Jerusalem Post Grandma could not find the link...": Hmmm, MAYBE because I specifically told you it was hardcopy, not on the web...Hmmm...Maybe you will finally admit you are wrong? I doubt you would find an article from 1984 online either unless they have archived them which I doubt. However, if you live enar a major city you might be able to find microfiche as I have done here in NYC. If all else fails you can I) Contact the Post yourself and ask for verification OR even a copy...or...II) Search the relevant quote online and find thrid party verification.

If you need anymore research tips, feel free to ask.

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: "Rachamim needs to cite his source son the Tutu brouhaha.": I did, immediately after each quote. Take a look and then apologise.
Listing hyperlinks is not attributing a source, mentioning a source by name and date though IS.


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Liar, you did no such thing. You are wrong about hyperlinks and that is indicative of your contempt for anyone who doesn't share your version of Zionism.

 

[rachamim18]

Nino: I realise that you are quite young and that this is probably what is driving you to come to the conclusion that hyperlinks are crucial to sourcing but a source is the place in which your information was located. If I list all relevant info, publication, date, title, how am I being remiss? Because I do not hand it to you on a gilded platter?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino: I realise that you are quite young and that this is probably what is driving you to come to the conclusion that hyperlinks are crucial to sourcing but a source is the place in which your information was located. If I list all relevant info, publication, date, title, how am I being remiss? Because I do not hand it to you on a gilded platter?

I am "quite young"? Is this the best you can do? I'm flattered naturally, but when someone like you comes out with stuff like this I can only think one thing: you're a fraud.

 

[Spymaster]

Without links it means zippo.

 

[Grandma Death]

Grandma: "The last time Rachamim quoted the Jerusalem Post Grandma could not find the link...": Hmmm, MAYBE because I specifically told you it was hardcopy,

Lies.

If you need anymore research tips, feel free to ask.

Genius.