discokermit
Well-Known Member
off topic. personal abuse.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
- Thread starter kebabking
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
You're a fucking snowflake. Like I said upthread - you're more than happy to dish out the abuse, but anyone who dares challenge your bullshit flings you straight into victim mode.
That's probably the sum total of what anyone on here needs to know about you.
That's not "abuse", it's commentary.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
off topic. personal abuse.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Gee wonder how we ended up off topic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh? I call bullshit
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
People like you led us that way I guess
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There’s also the factor of Israel having a number of pieces of military kit that would be useful to Ukraine (air defence and drones in particular). Because Netanyahu was quite close to Putin, Israel wouldn’t even allow third party countries to re-export stuff to Ukraine, including items that only contained small elements of their licensed technology. That situation might well have changed.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think the Ukrainians thought they'd get a lot more support from Israel than they did - the Eastern European heritage of many Israelis, that Golda Mier was from Kyiv, the 'small, independent state with a big enemy trying to crush it' thing - but they faced three big blockers to that: that the Israeli political class is far more 'American' than it is 'European', and the large influx of Russian Jews on the last 30 years who are seemingly far less hostile to the SU or to Russia than you might think they'd have been, which is a change from 20/30 years ago, the corruption and nationalist/racism of Netanyahu himself, who is far more of a Putin figure than he is a Zelensky figure, and that Israel probably sees itself more as the Russia in this story than the Ukraine...
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Sumy is getting flattened. In his victory speech yesterday Putin talked about creating deep ‘sterile areas’ bordering ‘their territory’ in Ukraine, and that’s exactly what this is, people’s homes and lives being extinguished to create a no man’s buffer zone.
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
And people think this is someone who can be negotiated with?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Interesting how closely matched Russia's military and diplomatic operations are: carve it off, fence it, clear it, control it.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
A wise motto.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
So, these FAB bombs the Russians are going to sweep all before them with - are these the same bombs that have very similar capabilities/properties to the Paveway, (French) Hammer and JDAM bombs that every NATO air force has been using for 30+ years?
The RAF was using laser guided glide bombs in 1982, when old Vlad was a Captain in the KGB....
The RAF was using laser guided glide bombs in 1982, when old Vlad was a Captain in the KGB....
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Despite Golda Meir being born in Kyiv , Ukraine since the the days of the Ukrainian Socialist Republic has had policies of of recognising Palestine as a state and supporting motions against Israeli occupation. It's only since the Russian invasion that Ukraine has abstained on issues like a ceasefire and sided with America and the UK. Probably conscious of other world wide opinion ,Ukraine has moved to the 'abide by international law' position. A poll by KiiS in December showed that 69% of Ukrainians supported Israel, 18% both sides and 1% supported the Palestinians ( 4% in the East).
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Yes I think Russia's aims might be a Ukrainian rump state and a buffer zone.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
pretty much exactly the same.
are the raf flying 60kms away from the frontline to drop them? is the ukrainian airforce flying 60kms from the frontline to drop them?
editor
hiraethified
Is that a good thing, in your opinion?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The buffer zone is likely to be enlarged if Germany gives missiles with Russia range to Ukraine.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
sorry, checked on wiki for jdam stats so it might be wrong but change the above from 60 to 28kms
discokermit
Well-Known Member
and i think the russians seem to be able to block the gps so that would make jdams fairly unusable?
www.independent.co.uk
Russia ‘jams signals’ on RAF plane carrying Grant Shapps
In what has been called a ‘wildly irresponsible’ act of electronic warfare, the GPS signal of the plane was interfered with for half an hour
www.independent.co.uk
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Maybe, but there've been a number of incidents reported of them jamming themselves by accident so they can't just throw the switch to "on" and leave it there. Military kit is designed to frequency hop, so they can't just jam US GPS without taking out all sorts of other kit in the area.and i think the russians seem to be able to block the gps so that would make jdams fairly unusable?
Russia ‘jams signals’ on RAF plane carrying Grant Shapps
In what has been called a ‘wildly irresponsible’ act of electronic warfare, the GPS signal of the plane was interfered with for half an hour
Even then, JDAMs are designed to be used in such an environment. It's just that the accuracy suffers, going from a (reported) 5m CEP to 30m. Lobbing a bomb from 15 miles away and landing it in a 30m radius circle is still pretty good going, and more useful than artillery. (as the Russians are proving)
discokermit
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Russia has been using glide bombs effectively for six months or so, it’s fairly cheap compared to missiles and they do a lot of damage compared to artillery. Accuracy isn’t great, but fine if the target is something large like an apartment block or hospital. Ukraine has JDAMs but not in great quantity, nor the aircraft to deliver them, and Russia is fairly competent with electronic warfare (which can also affect stuff like HIMARS, though they also use inertial guidance so only limits accuracy slightly.
Ukraine did move one of their mobile Patriot batteries to the front to strike back at Russian aviation (with some reported success), but they lost two launchers to an Iskander missile strike a couple of weeks ago - it appears Russia has got better at spotting things and quickly relaying information to missile crews, something that for most of this war has been beyond them, targets have needed signing off at a high level and this process tended to mean things had moved out of the way by the time they got round to firing.
With the patriot launchers it was claimed that they’d been parked in the same spot for three hours awaiting instructions, which is the sort of mistake Ukraine can’t afford to make, but maybe one born of complacency based on Russia’s crap command structure. They also lost a couple of helicopters on the ground to a similar missile strike, again sitting ducks and not spaced appropriately. I imagine they will revise how stuff is deployed based on this apparent improved chain of command of their opponents. Both sides are developing and adapting as the war progresses.
Ukraine did move one of their mobile Patriot batteries to the front to strike back at Russian aviation (with some reported success), but they lost two launchers to an Iskander missile strike a couple of weeks ago - it appears Russia has got better at spotting things and quickly relaying information to missile crews, something that for most of this war has been beyond them, targets have needed signing off at a high level and this process tended to mean things had moved out of the way by the time they got round to firing.
With the patriot launchers it was claimed that they’d been parked in the same spot for three hours awaiting instructions, which is the sort of mistake Ukraine can’t afford to make, but maybe one born of complacency based on Russia’s crap command structure. They also lost a couple of helicopters on the ground to a similar missile strike, again sitting ducks and not spaced appropriately. I imagine they will revise how stuff is deployed based on this apparent improved chain of command of their opponents. Both sides are developing and adapting as the war progresses.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Older stuff would be Glonass entirely, but for newer kit...
I'd wager they use some off-the-shelf part from China that will happily use GLONASS, GPS, Galilieo, or BeiDou depending on what it can grab a signal from first. It's quite clear the Americans are much more dependent on it than they are, so they can be pretty confident of a good feed. Same way they've been using Starlink in some places. If your enemy will let you use their kit, and it's newer and better than yours... Well, why the hell not?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Where do you get the above information from?
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Zizek on Putin:
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Zizek? Oh please. Bless
www.urban75.net
Zizek: seems like a nob
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2012/jun/10/slavoj-zizek-humanity-ok-people-boring it's a name i've heard brought up a fair few times on urban but i know almost nothing about him or his work. this article made me think he was an idiot, but it doesn't really touch on his actual, you know...
www.urban75.net
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