Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[JimW]

Couldn't Chechens be regular conscripts/squaddies?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Where did you read this becuase it’s demonstrably the opposite of what actually happened?

As I said it was from Ukrainian prime minister Volodymyr Zelenskiy, a tweet reported on TV, Turkey has since said they are still considering the request.

 

[A380]

I'm not sure they're bothered about being seen as hypocrites much, they are on so much else, think it's more that they do bang on about territorial integrity and sovereignty a lot so that's hard to square and that any love for Russia is entirely instrumental. Probably as much thinking it's wise not to show their hand too much while it's up in the air and can afford to piss the Russians off a bit by being lukewarm as they have nowhere else to turn.

Just thinking aloud.

Say the Ukraine adventure really goes hard against Russia, either in this intial invasion phase or, more likely, if they get bogged down in a long bloody campaign to hold the cities. It gets so bad that Putin and his circle fall- anywhere between up against a wall in a cellar to lots of golf, coke and escorts in Dubai.

What is the possibility that China moves into the vacuum and turns Russia into the biggest of their client states, perhaps hoovering up Vladivostok on the way?

People who know more about China than me, could this happen?

 

[platinumsage]

It's on the BBC news channel ticker at the moment

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Zelensky has asked this, but the request has obviously not been granted. Perhaps the BBC mistranslated it like they did when they claimed those Jewish kids being abused on a bus were themselves making anti-Islamic remarks.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Zelensky has asked this, but the request has obviously not been granted. Perhaps the BBC mistranslated it like they did when they claimed those Jewish kids being abused on a bus were themselves making anti-Islamic remarks.

Calm down, here's the tweet.



Of course, he's the president, not PM.

 

[platinumsage]

Calm down, here's the tweet.



Of course, he's the president, not PM.

That tweet doesn't say what the BBC claim. He thanks Erdogan and says a ban is important. Nothing about Erdogan agreeing to implement a ban

BBC News is seriously going down the pan. Reuters even corrected a rumor from Turkish official about this well before the BBC displayed that on their ticker:

Turkey hasn't decided to close straits to Russian ships -Turkish official

Turkey has not made a decision to close the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits to Russian ships, a Turkish official with knowledge of the matter told Reuters on Saturday.

www.reuters.com

 

[JimW]

Just thinking aloud.

Say the Ukraine adventure really goes hard against Russia, either in this intial invasion phase or, more likely, if they get bogged down in a long bloody campaign to hold the cities. It gets so bad that Putin and his circle fall- anywhere between up against a wall in a cellar or lots of golf, coke and escorts in Dubai.

What is the possibility that China moves into the vacuum and turns Russia into the biggest of their client states, perhaps hoovering up Vladivostok on the way?

People who know more about China than me, could this happen?

Remember some Russian academic twenty plus years ago writing a provocative piece saying they should hand/sell Siberia to China as they had the population to fill it and Russia didn't, but seems far fetched on the face of it. They would like more farmland, hence contracting wide swathes of Burman and even some of the African ventures but don't think any of the close bits are that appealing. Not sure how genuinely confident they are about the current restive border regions they do hold.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Having worked with the company that designed, installed and maintain Terminal 5 the BA terminal.
Plus knowing first hand the problems with the IT, baggage and checking in systems it is quite likely that any blips are more common than BA would admit. Hacking by a hostile foe is possible, but in my humble opinion a fair way down the list of causes.

British Airports are twinned with hell in my experience. Gatwick is probably best of the London ones but it’s not saying much.

Shoddy,cramped, cheap

 

[Dandred]

That just got me a 24 ban from FB

 

[Sprocket.]

British Airports are twinned with hell in my experience. Gatwick is probably best of the London ones but it’s not saying much.

Shoddy,cramped, cheap

Terminal 5 at Heathrow is exclusive to British Airways.

 

[strung out]

Zelensky has asked this, but the request has obviously not been granted. Perhaps the BBC mistranslated it like they did when they claimed those Jewish kids being abused on a bus were themselves making anti-Islamic remarks.

The BBC are clarifying now. Apparently Turkey have said they're still considering the request.

 

[Sprocket.]

The BBC are clarifying now. Apparently Turkey have said they're still considering the request.

Turkey’s voting for Christmas!

 

[A380]

That just got me a 24 ban from FB

Pricks…

 

[A380]

British Airports are twinned with hell in my experience. Gatwick is probably best of the London ones but it’s not saying much.

Shoddy,cramped, cheap

London Luton twinned with Hades.

 

[Pickman's model]

British Airports are twinned with hell in my experience. Gatwick is probably best of the London ones but it’s not saying much.

Shoddy,cramped, cheap

heathrow's the worst, imo. landing there makes you want to board another flight, doesn't matter where to, and gtfo of the place

 

[platinumsage]

The BBC are clarifying now. Apparently Turkey have said they're still considering the request.

Pretty shit of them that they had it up there in the first place tbh.

 

[Pickman's model]

London Luton twinned with Hades.

no, luton's still better than heathrow

 

[likesfish]

Couldn't Chechens be regular conscripts/squaddies?

Nah some variation of regime favorites after the war doubt the Russian military want any chechen conscripts.

Stop the wars petition calling for a ban on NATO expansion is as wrong headed as always.

 

[A380]

no, luton's still better than heathrow

Their are rat infested abandoned beaver lodges at the bottom of malarial swamps better than Heathrow though. TBF.

 

[Pickman's model]

Couldn't Chechens be regular conscripts/squaddies?

they could be. but we've been over the conscript thing several times in this thread already, about how they don't get sent into combat. see for example lester w grau, the russian way of war.

 

[Pickman's model]

Their are rat infested abandoned beaver lodges at the bottom of malarial swamps better than Heathrow though. TBF.

when i landed back there on my return from siberia i compared the place with yakutsk airport, which is superior in so many many ways

 

[kebabking]

Couldn't Chechens be regular conscripts/squaddies?

They seem to be in formed units, or perhaps more accurately, there are Chechens who are in regular units in the same way there are people from St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, and Ekaterinburg in those regular units, and there are Chechens with big beards and funny uniforms who appear to be in all-Chechen units run by Chechen warlords with, shall we say, checkered pasts...

There's more than an element of Byzantine politics about the Russian military system - there are several different/competing structures, beholden to different ministries, as well as what are, in effect, private armies that attach themselves to patrons in the Russian government - late mediaeval Bastard Feudalism with AK's...

 

[Ĝasper]

Ukraine conflict: Scotland stands ready to offer refuge

The Scottish government says it will play its part in any resettlement programme for Ukrainians fleeing war.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good. But what about other nationalities fleeing from this same war?

 

[Pickman's model]

They seem to be in formed units, or perhaps more accurately, there are Chechens who are in regular units in the same way there are people from St. Petersburg, Vladivostok, and Ekaterinburg in those regular units, and there are Chechens with big beards and funny uniforms who appear to be in all-Chechen units run by Chechen warlords with, shall we say, checkered pasts...

There's more than an element of Byzantine politics about the Russian military system - there are several different/competing structures, beholden to different ministries, as well as what are, in effect, private armies that attach themselves to patrons in the Russian government - late mediaeval Bastard Feudalism with AK's...

yeh loads of ministries have their own troops, it's really weird.

but if i was to send in a load of people to track down the people on my kill list i think i'd prefer to send in a company of us marines rather than a load of chechens, on the basis that the american marines would stand out a lot less in kiev than the chechens with their billowy facial hair.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Pretty shit of them that they had it up there in the first place tbh.

The tweet was clear, it wasn't just the BBC reporting it, I saw it on al jazeera, and plenty of other outlets also reported it.

The suggestion now is it was an attempt to force Turkey's hand, also possibly more likely to do with English not being Zelenskiy's first language.

 

[Raheem]

Where did you read this becuase it’s demonstrably the opposite of what actually happened?

Think it's a case of yesterday it wasn't happening, today it is.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That's not gonna shore up moral. Crack out the Ukrainian hardbass

Soundclash with XS Project, problem solved

 

[Pickman's model]

As I said it was from Ukrainian prime minister Volodymyr Zelenskiy, a tweet reported on TV, Turkey has since said they are still considering the request.

Turkey Did NOT Close The Bosphorus To Russian Ships

In the last hour several media outlets worldwide began reporting that Turkey closed the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits to Russian ships, but, Reuters is now reporting that the rumor –...

gcaptain.com

 

[tim]

London Luton twinned with Hades.

London Luton twinned with Hades.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Turkey Did NOT Close The Bosphorus To Russian Ships

In the last hour several media outlets worldwide began reporting that Turkey closed the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits to Russian ships, but, Reuters is now reporting that the rumor –...

gcaptain.com

As I've already pointed out in my post you have just quoted.