Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[nogojones]

I would never of thought Turkey would of turned on Russia and Putin

Even though there has been tactical collaboration in the past, there's no real good blood between Putin and Erdoğan.

 

[Rimbaud]

How’s Chinese media covering the whole thing ?

Here are the related headlines from the top stories on Baidu homepage:

"Is the war about to end? The Russian army entered Kiev, and Putin sent an invitation to Ukraine, finally showing his real purpose"

"As the conflict between Russia and Ukraine continues to ferment, China releases the No. 1 document for 2022, clarifying two bottom lines"

"On the day Putin dispatched troops, Hua Chunying reminded the United States: China has not yet achieved complete reunification of the motherland!"

These are more tabloid "blog" style, but still controlled by the Party and probably representative of what most Chinese actually read.

Official state media seems to be emphasising the shock to Europe's fuel crisis.

 

[JimW]

Kinda get the feeling Xi can't really outright go against it because he basically wants to do the same thing but also doesn't want to be linked to it in any way - would this be accurate?

I'm not sure they're bothered about being seen as hypocrites much, they are on so much else, think it's more that they do bang on about territorial integrity and sovereignty a lot so that's hard to square and that any love for Russia is entirely instrumental. Probably as much thinking it's wise not to show their hand too much while it's up in the air and can afford to piss the Russians off a bit by being lukewarm as they have nowhere else to turn.

 

[dilute micro]

There's a defiant beauty to this...

Autotune or she's good.

 

[TopCat]

Russia, via the Interfax news agency, had said it has had no official notification of the closure. There is speculation that Zelenskiy’s tweet may have been a request for Turkey to take action, rather than a confirmation that it would be in place.

The Montreux Convention, which governs the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, says that ships from Black Sea states will be allowed to return to port during wartime. If Turkey did go ahead and ban warships from the strait, it would break the convention.

 

[MrCurry]

weltweit, bringing us yesterday's news, today.

To be fair it’s the first time I’ve seen a reasonable explanation of what they hope to gain by taking the Chernobyl site. There’s been lots of reporting of it happening, far less on why they’ve done it.

 

[TopCat]

The US has announced another $350m of “immediate support” for Ukraine, bringing the total amount of military aid in the last year to more than £1bn.

 

[Spymaster]

I have no clue how things look from Russia obvs but Ukrainians seem to be doing a really good job of the hearts & minds stuff.

If nothing else, I'm grateful to mad Vlad for drawing my attention to a country and people who I knew little of prior to this, but now hold in very high regard.

When this is over I'll make it a priority to visit Ukraine.

 

[platinumsage]

This would be far more impactful than blocking Russia from SWIFT:

 

[Pickman's model]

I read that today Russian tv has normal chat-shows on when you’d otherwise expect coverage of the ‘special operation’ to have dominated.

the russians know the aggravation that can be caused by rolling news not reporting anything new

 

[Diamond]

we've already seen from kebabking, who has some knowledge of warfare, that the best units of the army have been, for whatever reason, held back. imagine the situation that might occur if the territorial units of the british army were sent into battle while the regulars were held back. you might see something similar to this. so rather than pontificate on the basis of er no knowledge or evidence why not go back and reread kebabking's posts before posting again?

But that post is literally supported by “knowledge/evidence”..?

Rather odd

 

[steveo87]

There's a defiant beauty to this...

If Ukrainian citizens won't send them back, Leonard Cohen will.

 

[TopCat]

Ukraine conflict: Protests held around UK in support of Ukraine

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge say they "stand" with Ukraine, as rallies are held across UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

let's just wait for confirmation on this as only yesterday the turkish government were saying they couldn't legally block warships returning to their home base, which for many russian ships is in the black sea. Turkey values closing the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits but clarifies that it will not be able to prevent the return of Russian ships - Royals Blue

True, but it would still be a bugger if they couldn't leave again.

 

[Pickman's model]

But that post is literally supported by “knowledge/evidence”..?

Rather odd

yes it is rather odd

how you extrapolate from one peculiarity and one assertion to make a very general claim

 

[Pickman's model]

True, but it was still be a bugger if they couldn't leave again.

but me no buts

 

[Pickman's model]

Ukraine conflict: Protests held around UK in support of Ukraine

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge say they "stand" with Ukraine, as rallies are held across UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

fucking send the parasite of sussex to kiev

 

[nogojones]

There's a defiant beauty to this...

That's not gonna shore up moral. Crack out the Ukrainian hardbass

 

[elbows]

I see the curfew in Kyiv has been extended and now runs from 5pm-8am, with any citizens on the streets during that period at huge risk of being assumed to be part of enemy operations.

 

[Sprocket.]

For those that need evidence not to believe tenuous rumours on the Internet:

Having worked with the company that designed, installed and maintain Terminal 5 the BA terminal.
Plus knowing first hand the problems with the IT, baggage and checking in systems it is quite likely that any blips are more common than BA would admit. Hacking by a hostile foe is possible, but in my humble opinion a fair way down the list of causes.

 

[Supine]

According to the Ukrainian prime minister Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Turkey has agreed to stop Russian warships passing through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean.

The screws seem to be turning almost hourly.

Not sure how Turkey could stop them without some major escalation

 

[SpookyFrank]

there's no real good blood between Putin and Erdoğan.

Never is between two of their sort. I doubt either of them has an actual friend in the world.

 

[A380]

Sky news now reporting Chechen fighters are in the Ukraine helping the Russians

TBF there were about 30 Afghan Mujahideen ( gosh remember them?) in Saudi as part of the coalition for Gulf War one -.Kuwait.

I’m not sure if they left their compound. What a different world, and yet nothing changes…

 

[dilute micro]

Not sure how Turkey could stop them without some major escalation

I figure Putin will bring this to a head by sending a ship to cross. Turkey would deny that ship a pilot. I don't know what happens after that.

 

[platinumsage]

Not sure how Turkey could stop them without some major escalation

I don’t know where the suggestion came from that it’s something they would do.

I know their foreign minister rejected it yesterday, presumably that got tweeted by someone claiming he said the opposite, and everyone retweeted that without bothering to check.

 

[A380]

To prevent warships passing through the Bosphorus? It is remarkably easy; the decaying Ottoman state (with no warships of note) managed to do it against the world's biggest and third/fourth biggest navies 100 years ago.

TBF that didn’t end well strategically for the Ottoman Empire…

 

[platinumsage]

According to the Ukrainian prime minister Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Turkey has agreed to stop Russian warships passing through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits, which connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean.

The screws seem to be turning almost hourly.

Where did you read this becuase it’s demonstrably the opposite of what actually happened?

 

[tim]

fucking send the parasite of sussex to kiev

Bypass the middlemen and book him a direct flight to Etkaterinburg.

 

[frogwoman]

I read that today Russian tv has normal chat-shows on when you’d otherwise expect coverage of the ‘special operation’ to have dominated.

I'm shocked!

 

[strung out]

Where did you read this becuase it’s demonstrably the opposite of what actually happened?

It's on the BBC news channel ticker at the moment