Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[tim]

Europe seems a flexible concept, apparently the UK is not part of Europe except when it is, as the EU seems to be analogous to Europe for some, which seems unfair to the Norwegians, Swiss and others

It's a racist concept. Anywhere on the Earth's main landmass that is predominantly white and Christian is Europe. The bit where people have darker skin, and or are predominately not Christian is Asia.

 

[planetgeli]

It's a racist concept. Anywhere on the Earth's main landmass that is predominantly white and Christian is Europe. The bit where people have darker skin, and or are predominately not Christian is Asia.

Broadly, not totally. Money matters. See Uefa Champions League.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't think the people that actually live there are meaningful?
Yes I'm being facetious and I get what you're saying, but I also don't see any path to such a vote not being considered legitimate by the international community.

I'm by no means sure the most relevant member/s of the ic would recognise its validity.

 

[tim]

Russian General makes Great Escape to Heaven, whilst pottering round Donbass on a motorbike. kebabking are British generals as stupid as this?

Russian general ‘killed in drone strike as he rode motorbike’

Major General Pavel Klimenko’s troops had been accused of torturing a US blogger to death

www.independent.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

More importantly, what did the Ukrainian people want?

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Ukrainians’ Unwavering Path Toward the EU

The steadfast support for European integration among Ukrainians is rooted in a perception of the EU as a community of shared democratic principles. The union should leverage its democratic appeal to solidify its role as a catalyst for change beyond its borders.

carnegieendowment.org

They are on course to joining aren’t they , well at least at some point in the future ?

 

[teuchter]

It's a racist concept. Anywhere on the Earth's main landmass that is predominantly white and Christian is Europe. The bit where people have darker skin, and or are predominately not Christian is Asia.

You need to rewrite this in slightly more tortuous form in order to account for Siberia.

 

[tim]

You need to rewrite this in slightly more tortuous form in order to account for Siberia.

What makes you say that?

 

[Pickman's model]

You need to rewrite this in slightly more tortuous form in order to account for Siberia.

No you don't.

 

[teuchter]

What makes you say that?

Knowledge of some very basic facts about the population of Siberia.

 

[tim]

Knowledge of some very basic facts about the population of Siberia.

Basic being the operative word

 

[kebabking]

Russian General makes Great Escape to Heaven, whilst pottering round Donbass on a motorbike. kebabking are British generals as stupid as this?

Russian general ‘killed in drone strike as he rode motorbike’

Major General Pavel Klimenko’s troops had been accused of torturing a US blogger to death

www.independent.co.uk

Depends on your definition of stupid - riding on a motorcycle isn't necessarily stupid - it's light, fast, very manoeuvrable, much less likely to attract enemy attention than a tank or a rocket launcher, it's much easier to go off road and so avoid things like mines and choke points like junctions which are prone to air and artillery attacks. On the other hand it has no protection whatsoever, so if you are attacked, you're fucked.

Also depends on whether this was a random attack that just happened to get him, or he was targeted because he'd been silly with radio discipline or making a cult of personality as 'the general who rides about on a motorbike' which the Ukrainians found out about.

Everything has a down side - if he'd gone about in a 1000 ton tank convoy in order to be protected, the Ukrainians would have seen it from the moon, and known that only a senior commander would get such protection - making it worthwhile to batter the fuck out of it with artillery.

You pays your money...

 

[Pickman's model]

refers you back to post #33,713 HTH

Oh look you've completely changed 33710

 

[sleaterkinney]

Europe and USA didn't want a war but they did want to "micromanage" Ukraine elections and fight a covert war to kick Russian influence out of Ukraine. It's not like this came out of nowhere.

Here we go.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams...

 

[TopCat]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams...

Scraping the barrel.

 

[Pickman's model]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams...

Indeed no. But if it's set alight...

 

[Ax^]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams...

hey we have some gobshite praising a trump win because it going to be good for Ukraine and Gaza

fuxkwits going on about jet fuel not melting steel beams appear sensible ..

 

[Larry O'Hara]

No, it's what the Ukrainians call it eg https://archive.ph/TBuVR and this War and Theft: The Takeover of Ukraine’s Agricultural Land - Ukraine which I've posted before

Indeed: and with the change of US Presidency might the contents of Hunter Bidens laptop be now actionable?

 

[editor]

Putin's hands are dripping with blood. All these poor lives wasted.

Russia has suffered its worst ever month for casualties since the start of the war in Ukraine, the UK chief of defence staff has told the BBC.

Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said Russia’s forces suffered an average of about 1,500 dead and injured "every single day" in October, bringing its losses to 700,000 since the war began in February 2022.

Russia does not disclose the number of its war dead, but Western defence officials have said October's death toll was the heaviest so far.

In an interview with BBC One's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme, Sir Tony said the Russian people were paying an "extraordinary price" for Putin's invasion.

Russia suffers worst month for casualties, says UK defence chief

Putin's troops suffered on average about 1,500 dead or injured a day in October, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin claims.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[sleaterkinney]

Europe and USA didn't want a war but they did want to "micromanage" Ukraine elections and fight a covert war to kick Russian influence out of Ukraine. It's not like this came out of nowhere.

Tell us more.

 

[tim]

Tell us more.

They have already, several times.

 

[_Russ_]

Anyone found confirmation that Ukraine destroyed the Dam?, must have been a hard decision to make

Massive Flooding Unleashed as Ukrainian Dam Explodes Near Kurakhove - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Reports indicate that the Ternovskaya dam, situated west of Kurakhove in Ukraine's Donetsk region, was destroyed moments ago, according to the "Донбас Оперативний" (Donbas Operativniy) Telegram channel. Information on the explosion near Kurakhove has been circulating on local social media, with...

www.novinite.com

 

[StoneRoad]

hmm - a contested area, so russian action more likely ...

Military administration confirms Russian troops damaged Kurakhove reservoir dam

Read more

newsukraine.rbc.ua

 

[editor]

Anyone found confirmation that Ukraine destroyed the Dam?, must have been a hard decision to make

Massive Flooding Unleashed as Ukrainian Dam Explodes Near Kurakhove - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

Reports indicate that the Ternovskaya dam, situated west of Kurakhove in Ukraine's Donetsk region, was destroyed moments ago, according to the "Донбас Оперативний" (Donbas Operativniy) Telegram channel. Information on the explosion near Kurakhove has been circulating on local social media, with...

www.novinite.com

"According to Russian news outlets, including pravda.ru, Ukrainian forces may have deliberately destroyed the Ternovskaya dam to slow down Russian advancements..."

Awesome source there, comradeski.

 

[Pickman's model]

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[StoneRoad]

"According to Russian news outlets, including pravda.ru, Ukrainian forces may have deliberately destroyed the Ternovskaya dam to slow down Russian advancements..."

Awesome source there, comradeski.

_Russ_ - I remind you that Russia has form for blowing up dams / flooding areas as a defensive move ...
Do I need to list more than the Khakovka Dam ?

 

[TopCat]

Calls for talks. What should Biden do with his remaining time? Get a peace deal done in Ukraine | Simon Jenkins

 

[kebabking]

Ah, Simon Jenkins - never knowing without another group of people he won't gleefully sell out in order to preserve his own worthless skin...

 

[Silas Loom]

Ah, Simon Jenkins - never knowing without another group of people he won't gleefully sell out in order to preserve his own worthless skin...

To be fair, he sometimes takes time out from arguing for appeasing Putin and Xi to fulminate vociferously against anything new being built anywhere in Britain ever. So he’s a two-trick pony.

 

[_Russ_]

"According to Russian news outlets, including pravda.ru, Ukrainian forces may have deliberately destroyed the Ternovskaya dam to slow down Russian advancements..."

Awesome source there, comradeski.

It was an Honest Question, but I see like most regulars here you can't resist playing the man and getting a dig in.
If anyone has definitive info perhaps they could post it.