Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[_Russ_]

Calls for talks. What should Biden do with his remaining time? Get a peace deal done in Ukraine | Simon Jenkins

Seems the current position of all involved powers except Ukraine. Its tot up time.
I do wonder what enthusiasm there is in Ukraine for accepting the coming Deal, not that they have a real choice but It will stick in the throats and lead to an enduring and undestandable mistrust of the West and its promises.

 

[The39thStep]

There isn't a deal.It's just speculation about what the US might propose ,what Russia and Ukraine might settle for, and and how it's sold by so parties.

 

[Rimbaud]

Ok.
So if Trump withdraws the weapons pipeline is irrelevant because it's Russia's war.
If Germany cut their arms budget it makes no difference because it's Russia's war.
Starmer not supplying missiles makes no difference because it's Russia's war.

It will mean Russia wins.

 

[CNT36]

_Russ_ - I remind you that Russia has form for blowing up dams / flooding areas as a defensive move ...
Do I need to list more than the Khakovka Dam ?

Didn't Ukraine blow one up as well? I have searched but with all the claims and counter claims about other dams and not remembering the name I can't find it. IIRC it was reported at least initially in the mainstream press, not just by RT and other shitshows, as being destroyed by Ukraine.

 

[spitfire]

Didn't Ukraine blow one up as well? I have searched but with all the claims and counter claims about other dams and not remembering the name I can't find it. IIRC it was reported at least initially in the mainstream press, not just by RT and other shitshows, as being destroyed by Ukraine.

Yes they blew one up near Kyiv IIRC near the beginning. Denying areas of manoeuvre to the Russians.

 

[CNT36]

Yes they blew one up near Kyiv IIRC near the beginning. Denying areas of manoeuvre to the Russians.

Perhaps that's it but I could have sworn it was later. Maybe in the grind after the Ukranian '23 counteroffensive.

 

[The39thStep]

Ah, Simon Jenkins - never knowing without another group of people he won't gleefully sell out in order to preserve his own worthless skin...

Perhaps he could go on the SUB backed Myrotvorets database where enemies of Ukraine are listed? There's a vacancy now Donald Trump has been removed from it.

 

[TopCat]

Didn't Ukraine blow one up as well? I have searched but with all the claims and counter claims about other dams and not remembering the name I can't find it. IIRC it was reported at least initially in the mainstream press, not just by RT and other shitshows, as being destroyed by Ukraine.

You are worse than a Nazi for saying this.

 

[editor]

It was an Honest Question, but I see like most regulars here you can't resist playing the man and getting a dig in.
If anyone has definitive info perhaps they could post it.

Come on. You can't be naïve enough to start basing 'honest questions' when your sole source is Russia's propaganda machine.

 

[existentialist]

Come on. You can't be naïve enough to start basing 'honest questions' when your sole source is Russia's propaganda machine.

I don't think that poster has asked an honest question in his life.

 

[_Russ_]

There isn't a deal.It's just speculation about what the US might propose ,what Russia and Ukraine might settle for, and and how it's sold by so parties.

Nobody said there is, but there will be.

 

[_Russ_]

Come on. You can't be naïve enough to start basing 'honest questions' when your sole source is Russia's propaganda machine.

I know what the source I quoted is. Hit me with some alternative or perhaps STFU

 

[editor]

I know what the source I quoted is. Hit me with some alternative or perhaps STFU

You've made a fool of yourself by blindly parroting Russia propaganda and throwing your toys out of the pram and getting all sweary isn't going to make you look any better.

 

[kebabking]

It's interesting - and I put it no higher than that, because I know how quick politicians are to ditch any previously held view when the whiff of power/status comes along - that Trump has appointed Marco Rubio as his Secretary of State.

Despite being a pretty excretiable human being, Rubio has been supportive of Ukraine, pretty anti-Russia, and while echoing every US politician ever in the criticism of the burden sharing in NATO, isn't one of the hyper-isolationists.

It might indicate that the deal - and I certainly agree one is coming, Trump wants this over, or at least parked - might not be so quite to Putin's taste as had been feared.

Still might be, obviously...