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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, Feb 2022 - tangentially related crap
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
The39thStep
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AP article which blames TikTok and unexplained voting patterns however deeper inside are a couple of comments that might be nearer the truth. Also describes the Save Romania Union party as being progressive . Funnily enough, the Save Romania Union was part of the United Right Alliance in the elections and although its was originally a populist anti-corruption party it is now full of centre right business people.
apnews.com
Who is Calin Georgescu, the far-right populist who won the 1st round of Romania's presidential race?
Most polls predicted Calin Georgescu to win less than 10% of the vote in the first round of Romania’s presidential election.
apnews.com
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
My Romanian neighbour seems to blame this on Romanians living in Germany, of all things. That and his mum. He's very much hoping it will pan out like it did in France for the second round. He will be voting, which will be the first time since moving here >10 years ago.
tim
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People voting out those in power, if they can, is a pretty longterm trend.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Out of 900,000 Romanian citizens in Germany. Georgescu received 83,611 votes which is less than 10%.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Topcat's got those posters on his bedroom wall.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
How many voted? Andre's never voted since leaving Romania, doesn't really agree with the idea of being able to vote when you don't live there any more.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
According to the site below 148,135
Prezența la vot | Alegeri prezidențiale 2024 — Rezultate Vot
www.rezultatevot.ro
On this link below there is the breakdown of votes for Germany and if you hover the mouse over each country you get the winner in each diaspora in each country (I don't know if it works on the phone).
The quick narrative is that the 'pro Russian' candidate Georgescu didn't win in the Romanian diaspora in Russia where Lasconi the opponent in the run off won, or indeed any of the post soviet states, or China but did in the UK, Spain, France, Germany, Austria, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Greece and Bosnia -Herzegovina.
There tells a tale?
Rezultate vot | Alegeri prezidențiale 2024 — Rezultate Vot
www.rezultatevot.ro
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
If you don't like the result of the election we have others. Is this the first election to be recounted due to TikTok?
Romania orders election recount after TikTok bias allegations
TikTok denies it gave preferential treatment to any candidate in Romania's presidential election.
www.bbc.com
Dystopiary
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A Belarusian man was detained in Vietnam and sent back to Belarus to be charged with terrorism for his alleged involvement with the Kastús Kalinouski regiment (fighting against the Russian invaders in Ukraine). Vasil Verameichyk, 34, could possibly face the death penalty.
Belarus opposition figure extradited from Vietnam faces terrorism charges, possible death penalty
Belarus opposition figure extradited from Vietnam faces terrorism charges, possible death penalty
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Putin's armoured train (he prefers trains to planes)
A series of blogs were made about this before thefull on war special military operation by Mikhail Korotkov.
Warned off posting anything else about this by the FSB he's closed his account and fled to Sri Lanka.
A series of blogs were made about this before the
He wrote said:
Warned off posting anything else about this by the FSB he's closed his account and fled to Sri Lanka.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Better for the environment
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I bet the train spotters squeal with delight when they see it as well
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
The Twat Controller.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Hard to see the US following Canada's lead by banning assault weapons, buying them back from the owners, and sending them to Ukraine
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No idea how true this is or the extent which Russia has interfered . Not sure it's FANATASTIC NEWS! either.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
It's true and whilst the scumbag's got to go again it's playing with fire. He's very much a Trump, Romanians first and so on. When evidence of serious Kremlin interference was found he retorted: “I think it’s the first time in the history of the world when a state is organising an action against a candidate to stop him from running,” - sounds very much like Trump and people want change, so there's every chance he'll get voted for again...
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if not more so this time.... can only be counterproductive IMO
The39thStep
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Aside from unusual TikTok patterns allegation ,which I don't understand tbh, what we're the voting irregularities, breaking of electoral rules, etc?
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I've no idea, it sounds a desperate play from a deep part of the state, but short of proof of actual vote rigging I don't see how a rerun can stop the inevitable.
I'm sure its disastrous news that Georgescu might (will) win, and perhaps everything should be done to stop him - I'm not in a position to quantify the level of threat he poses - but from where I'm sat this looks counterproductive and ineffective
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The first question about possible 'outside 'interference should be how did the state allow this to happen instead the focus shifted onto TikTok which as far as I am aware hasn't been banned for these elections and in any case was used by all parties/candidates participating in the election. That's not deny that social media is used by external stateactors however its more of a feature these days than the exception.
As I understand it they are re-running the entire election which means that the two candidates who would have had to face off in the second round start from scratch with those who didn't. In the first elections, the main rightwing populist party was outflanked by him, similarly, the main neo liberals for EU were out flanked by the liberal. I suppose it could be back to normal and the established parties or there might be a feeling of sod it we voted the way in which we wanted so last time so we will do it again. I don't think the latter is certain tbh however this issue of wanting new elections when thing don't go the way various parties want and who are in a position to influence isn't good.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Elections go on until the pro EU candidate “wins”.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Romanian pro-European parties agree to form coalition government
Parties also considering supporting single pro-European candidate in re-run of annulled presidential election
Dystopiary
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Three Black refugee women talk about their experiences; they're also really talented musicians. And they meet Jax Jones and make music with him.
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Germany, Russia and the Death of Europe | Novara Media
Why has the 'German Miracle' come to such a sharp end?
novaramedia.com
This was fascinating... Two hour interview with German FT man.... Interesting insight into German politics... I'm posting here because the most fascinating bit for me was that because of it's geography and war history Germany looks more to Warsaw and Moscow than it does to Paris and London
Many German politicians, it is said, have made it their business to attempt to create peace with Russia through trade and other connections. Nordstream one example of this. Never again shall Germany and Russia war, is their mindset
Crucially, he says that even now there is a lot more accommodation for Putin's position regarding Ukraine than you might imagine. They also have a better understanding of what the iron curtain was, and what the post cold war settlement was meant to be.
Worth understanding as NATO moves to boost it's military spending
tim
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Germany, Russia and the Death of Europe | Novara Media
Why has the 'German Miracle' come to such a sharp end?
This was fascinating... Two hour interview with German FT man.... Interesting insight into German politics... I'm posting here because the most fascinating bit for me was that because of it's geography and war history Germany looks more to Warsaw and Moscow than it does to Paris and London
Many German politicians, it is said, have made it their business to attempt to create peace with Russia through trade and other connections. Nordstream one example of this. Never again shall Germany and Russia war, is their mindset
Crucially, he says that even now there is a lot more accommodation for Putin's position regarding Ukraine than you might imagine. They also have a better understanding of what the iron curtain was, and what the post cold war settlement was meant to be.
Worth understanding as NATO moves to boost it's military spending
Made it their business to create peace through trade = get seats on the board and their noses in the trough and gobble up the roubles.
As to looking to Moscow and Warsaw, you can't, in the current, climate accommodate to both. You have to a choice.
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Yes - absolutely that - sitting on Gazprom boards etc etc - integrated
Well yes, they've found themselves in a quandry, but according to Wolfgang they've not come down on one side at all yet. Youve only to see the German states response to Likud's genocide to see how a dose of reality doesnt necessarily change opinions and allegiances
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