Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[Chz]

So the madness returns. Did it ever go away? Excited talk of troop capabilities taking on the Russians. Madness.

I don't think anyone's excited, or at least I hope not. It comes from a very rational take that any ceasefire will need some sort of enforcement. One that will actually be a deterrence. Personally, the last thing (now that Trump's back and that ship has sailed) I want to see on the evening news is the RAF dropping bombs on Russians. Or anyone really, but that unfortunately happens with some regularity. I know you like to picture a group of posters here rubbing their thighs Vic Reeves style at the thought of it, but it's certainly not true for me, and I rather doubt it's true of anyone else here.

Edit: It's probably true that any hypothetical what-iffery about Russians attacking peacekeepers belongs in a thread to itself though.

 

[Pickman's model]

So the madness returns. Did it ever go away? Excited talk of troop capabilities taking on the Russians. Madness.

reports of hands being rubbed with glee cannot be verified

 

[Mark Sloan]

So the madness returns. Did it ever go away? Excited talk of troop capabilities taking on the Russians. Madness.

It never stopped from certain quarters in the media; if you look at the ludicrous headlines from Times Radio and the like, the chronic unrealism has barely missed a beat.

European countries don't have the capability or numbers to police any ceasefire line and even Zelensky has recognised that; he said that it would have to include the US, but Trump seems adamant that that won't happen.

The only country I can think of which has the numbers and which might be acceptable to both sides is Türkiye. However, I doubt the Russians would agree to any Ukrainian forces remaining east of the Dnipro, and heavy weapons would likely need to be at the Vinnytsia line or even further west.