Not fair! Totally untrue! And scandalous misrepresentation to boot.
Am I allowed to mention the Nordstrom pipeline?
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Not fair! Totally untrue! And scandalous misrepresentation to boot.
Am I allowed to mention the Nordstrom pipeline?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
On an appropriate thread, yes. This is not the appropriate thread you are looking for.
Thanks Ed!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm just giving out friendly advice. editor is the bloke who runs the site. HTH
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
It’s ok, being in the SS doesn’t necessarily make you a Nazi, you probably just liked the uniformsOh Dear
Canada's House Speaker apologises for praising Ukrainian who fought for Nazis
The House of Commons Speaker apologises for honouring a Ukrainian who served in the Waffen-SS.www.bbc.com
Fighting against the USSR didn’t necessarily make you a Nazi
Canada’s Hunka scandal is a demonstration of how when history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity.
www.politico.eu
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Which bits of that article don't you agree with?It’s ok, being in the SS doesn’t necessarily make you a Nazi, you probably just liked the uniforms
Fighting against the USSR didn’t necessarily make you a Nazi
Canada’s Hunka scandal is a demonstration of how when history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I’ve nearly finished Safe Haven: the United Kingdom’s Investigations into Nazi Collaborators and the Failure of Justice by Jon Silverman. It’s both an astonishing and depressing read about the failure of the U.K. ( and by mention Australia, Canada and the States ) to prosecute, both after the war and then again in the 1990s , those troops involved in war crimes who fought within Nazi ranks who were allowed in to those countries with no adequate screening . When the Soviets demanded extradition they said no , when the Soviets sent intelligence from their interviews with survivors and locals the U.K. wouldn’t use it as evidence .It’s ok, being in the SS doesn’t necessarily make you a Nazi, you probably just liked the uniforms
Fighting against the USSR didn’t necessarily make you a Nazi
Canada’s Hunka scandal is a demonstration of how when history is complicated, it can be a gift to propagandists who exploit the appeal of simplicity.
Britain likes to think it ‘stood alone’ against the Nazis. So why did it convict so few for war crimes? | Jon Silverman
Out of 274 suspects investigated in England, Wales and Scotland, there was only a single conviction, says academic and author Jon Silverman
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StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Van Braun was lauded by the USA for his rockets ... which absolutely disregarded what happened at Pennemunde {?sp} and the slave factories building V2s ...I’ve nearly finished Safe Haven: the United Kingdom’s Investigations into Nazi Collaborators and the Failure of Justice by Jon Silverman. It’s both an astonishing and depressing read about the failure of the U.K. ( and by mention Australia, Canada and the States ) to prosecute, both after the war and then again in the 1990s , those troops involved in war crimes who fought within Nazi ranks who were allowed in to those countries with no adequate screening . When the Soviets demanded extradition they said no , when the Soviets sent intelligence from their interviews with survivors and locals the U.K. wouldn’t use it as evidence .
Britain likes to think it ‘stood alone’ against the Nazis. So why did it convict so few for war crimes? | Jon Silverman
Out of 274 suspects investigated in England, Wales and Scotland, there was only a single conviction, says academic and author Jon Silvermanwww.theguardian.com
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Some of the worst ones were returned to the USSR, but on the sly as British agents to stir the UPA insurgency in Western Ukraine.I’ve nearly finished Safe Haven: the United Kingdom’s Investigations into Nazi Collaborators and the Failure of Justice by Jon Silverman. It’s both an astonishing and depressing read about the failure of the U.K. ( and by mention Australia, Canada and the States ) to prosecute, both after the war and then again in the 1990s , those troops involved in war crimes who fought within Nazi ranks who were allowed in to those countries with no adequate screening . When the Soviets demanded extradition they said no , when the Soviets sent intelligence from their interviews with survivors and locals the U.K. wouldn’t use it as evidence .
Britain likes to think it ‘stood alone’ against the Nazis. So why did it convict so few for war crimes? | Jon Silverman
Out of 274 suspects investigated in England, Wales and Scotland, there was only a single conviction, says academic and author Jon Silverman
I think most of them were dealt with pretty quickly though, as I seem to recall that they were betrayed by Kim Philby, or one of his mates.
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
Big up to Kim Philby
jeff_leigh
What happened to Dubversion ?
Anyone fighting against the USSR between the years 1939 - 1945 was a Nazi
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Well maybe 1941 to 1945? The period between September 1939 and June 1941 was, er, complicated.
Yes just like poodle Blair and his weapons of mass destruction.
UK has taken tge poodle
stance again .Just like Blair was a yes man fir George Bush. Rishi is a yes man for the one's pulling the strings for Biden .
Naom chomsky mentioned all this few year's ago
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Interesting article on waning support. Electoral politics begin to bite into Ukraine support
Decent quotes from involved people.
Decent quotes from involved people.
If it's not on BBC it's a conspiracy
.Maybe the people do not want economic collapse.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Oh, jesus, make it stop...UK has taken tge poodle
Rishi is a yes man for the one's pulling the strings for Biden .
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Like the Poles, Finns, Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians whose countries were invaded by the USSR? A tad too simplistic. Not to mention conscription in various armies, including Germany's. Even the Ukrainian nationalists spent some of their time fighting the Wehrmacht.
‘If people really knew the truth, the war would stop tomorrow’
Ben Chacko recommends Chris Nineham’s new pamphlet which lucidly separates the propaganda chaff from the...
www.stopwar.org.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But what do you think?‘If people really knew the truth, the war would stop tomorrow’
Ben Chacko recommends Chris Nineham’s new pamphlet which lucidly separates the propaganda chaff from the...
Yes makes alot of sense. Naom Chomsky made a interview few year's ago basically warning NATO was putting Ukraine at risk from major war.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I've not read this particular pamphlet yet, not wanting to shell out on what I suspect is a load of old bunkum. I say this because of all the other stuff of his I've read on Ukraine. First of all he starts off with the obligatory paragraph denouncing the unjustifiable invasion by Russia, then says how it was provoked anyway, then proceeds to attack Western governments for everything they have done elsewhere in the world.‘If people really knew the truth, the war would stop tomorrow’
Ben Chacko recommends Chris Nineham’s new pamphlet which lucidly separates the propaganda chaff from the...
Yes the old left is very much anti western imperialism.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's a case of wanting to have the cake and eat it. I am always impressed at the naivety of these anti-war fundamentalists who seem to cherish the notion that if Ukraine just stops fighting, everything will suddenly be peachy, and Russia will stop where it is. Fat chance of that, in my view.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
And not too bothered by Russian imperialism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Or chinese
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