SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They can get agency staff in to do all the fuck all they do all day.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
- Thread starter kebabking
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They can get agency staff in to do all the fuck all they do all day.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Russia and Ukrainian are minnows in the pond of corruption. We all know who the bloated old pike is.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I am surprised you feel the deserters would think about getting in agency staff to perform their military functions
Flavour
hang the bankers
Not-beyond-the-realms-of-possibility but CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT! It just occurred to me:
What if the whole moving nukes into Belarus thing, and then moving Wagner into Belarus, is the premise to a nuclear attack conducted against Ukraine "By Wagner, with missiles based in Belarus" in order to try and avert the blame being put on Putin for it?
What if the whole moving nukes into Belarus thing, and then moving Wagner into Belarus, is the premise to a nuclear attack conducted against Ukraine "By Wagner, with missiles based in Belarus" in order to try and avert the blame being put on Putin for it?
Only Putin can give the order though.
Flavour
hang the bankers
nukes + wagner in Belarus = plausible deniability
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It is, I suppose, possible.
The idea that the coup/protest/whatever is part of a maskirovka to distract from a new attack/form of warfare/location of warfare isn't one unspoken in the west- in broad brush terms the whole thing stinks if looked at from a particular angle - it's just not one I subscribe to because I think the details don't fit the headline, but it's certainly true that old Vlad is partial to an attack of the clevers...
Perhaps a better idea on this line is that Wagner captured/went through a military facility at Borisoglebsk that has been used to store nuclear weapons - however, as before, the details don't fit: Russian nukes use a similar Permissive Action Link system to US nukes. just because you've got physical possession of a nuke, that doesn't mean you can set it off.
moochedit
Mr Mooched It
Russia would be blamed for providing them in the first place though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Well you'd hope so
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
And Russia - official Russia - would be blamed for detonating them, because even if Wagner/other had them (and I think the idea that Putin would give Wagner/other nukes is a loooonnnnnggggg way from 'theoretically plausible, but staggeringly unlikely', they couldn't set them off without the PAL codes, which are held by the MOD and Kremlin.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Setting off a nuke "officially" is only one way to spread radioactive materials ..
Don't forget that some troops during the push on Kyiv went into the "red area" around Chernobyl and a load of personnel found out the hard way about the bad affects of high doses of radiation {despite, as I understand it, broadcast warnings from the home nation} ...
If you blow up a nuclear weapon with enough conventional explosives, you would {probably} not get enough compression of the fissile material for a "nuclear" explosion, but you would, in effect, get a very dirty bomb crater but without the large amount of fallout that would acompany a "normal" ground burst, nor get the EMP pulse ...
Still a very stupid thing to do, with long lasting affects.
Don't forget that some troops during the push on Kyiv went into the "red area" around Chernobyl and a load of personnel found out the hard way about the bad affects of high doses of radiation {despite, as I understand it, broadcast warnings from the home nation} ...
If you blow up a nuclear weapon with enough conventional explosives, you would {probably} not get enough compression of the fissile material for a "nuclear" explosion, but you would, in effect, get a very dirty bomb crater but without the large amount of fallout that would acompany a "normal" ground burst, nor get the EMP pulse ...
Still a very stupid thing to do, with long lasting affects.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Are Russian (ex USSR that is) nuclear artillery shells uranium gun types like the American ones? My very limited knowledge would guess that was likely. You could probably get at least a fizzle yield out of one of those if you had experience, some conventional explosives and a cavalier approach to nuclear safety...
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Couldn't you just lob a brick on them, like we did with the detonators we nicked off the trains?
turing test
Nearly Toowrong
It's still June so you mean, a year ago?
Fez909
toilet expert
A dirty bomb would have very little long term effect, and the radiation dose from the initial blast would be so low, that wouldn't have an effect, either.
The whole concept of a dirty bomb is a bit silly, and sounds much worse than it actually is, purely becaus it involves radioactivity, which people have been conditioned to fear.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I'd argue that that's a desired effect, not a limiting one.
If you set off a dirty bomb anywhere near a population centre you're going to have mass panic, huge numbers of people on the move clogging up all the roads, and huge state/civil/military resources used to both police that and to try and clear up/mitigate the R effects, even if, in the long run, the R effects are negligible - if you wanted to throw a spanner in the works of an enemy, what more would you want?
maomao
普費斯
Bit conspiracy theory. How have we been conditioned?
Fez909
toilet expert
Sure, there would be all of the things you said happen, but these are short term effects. I was responding to the claim that a dirty bomb would have "long-lasting" effects.
I wonder what NATO response a Russian/Wagner dirty bomb would cause.
Well, we're not born with a fear of radiation. And there is no formal teaching that makes us afraid of it, that I know of. So, what word would you use aside from conditioning?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't think you've investigated this with your usual rigour https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/fs-dirty-bombs.html
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We're not born with a fear of fire or drowning or speaking in public or falling from heights either
Fez909
toilet expert
From the first paragraph in your link: "Most RDDs would not release enough radiation to kill people or cause severe illness"
If you want me to read further, please provide a quote that supports whatever argumnt you're making.
maomao
普費斯
Personally I learned about radiation from the telly and in school whereas conditioning is a specific psychological technique used mainly with animals. Using it tends to indicate the speaker is somewhere on the CT spectrum along with talk about subliminal messages on telly etc.
In fact there's been a noticeable effort from some parts of the media over the last year or so to persuade people that a nuclear war probably wouldn't be that bad and it's just some very big bombs really whereas in reality even a limited exchange would almost certainly be the greatest disaster ever faced by humanity. I wouldn't call that conditioning though. Because it didn't involve bells, being hit and tasty rewards.
Fez909
toilet expert
These things are visible, or easily experienced. Radiation is not. I feel like they're different.
Also, I'd argue we are taught to fear fire and drowning; by our parents, usually. Because they are everyday, present dangers.
maomao
普費斯
Public speaking maybe not but it's certainly been claimed that babies are instinctively afraid of the other three. Do you have definitive proof that they're not?
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