Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[A380]

Dont suppose anyone will

I don't know...

 

[a_chap]

Well, World War 1 had Rupert Brooke and Wilfred Owen, then the Spanish Civil War had Orwell and Hemmingway. Wonder if Pam Ayres and Dan Brown will be in the Wagner convoy?

Oi!

Leave the lovely Pam Ayres out of it.

A proper national treasure, she is.

 

[A380]

Oi!

Leave the lovely Pam Ayres out of it.

A proper national treasure, she is.

Pam Ayres served in the RAF and worked at JARIC so would probably bring more to this debate than 99% of us here...

 

[a_chap]

 

[Flavour]

Looks like UA have liberated some villages west of Donetsk -- civilian transport between occupied Donetsk region and Russia suspended from tomorrow

 

[Leighsw2]

Good opinion piece in the Guardian today:
Prigozhin and Wagner cannot challenge Putin’s power directly, but they expose his weakening grip | Keir Giles

Conclusion:

This demonstration of Russia’s fragility only re-emphasises how vital it is to continue unqualified support for Ukraine. The suggestion that Russia cannot be defeated, and therefore it is better not to try and instead “negotiated settlement” is the only way forward, has been comprehensively torpedoed by this internal strife. But this is a temporary setback for Russia – and urgently increased support for Ukraine has the potential to bring about a permanent solution.

A distracted, weakened Russia is good news for everybody else. Prigozhin’s challenge to Moscow is a confrontation between a psychopath leading a gang of murderous criminals and a mafia boss sitting in the Kremlin and dividing Russia’s riches between his cronies. We should wish both sides good luck.

 

[Leighsw2]

I'd say that the people on this thread who have consistently argued that only Ukrainian capitulation can end this conflict have been comprehensively shown up in the last 24 hours.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Annoying that this is being discussed on two threads. Especially with link duplications.

 

[Flavour]

honestly i couldn't give a fuck what the useless north london Guardian thinks about the ongoing situation, they're an irrelevant entity

 

[Wilf]

honestly i couldn't give a fuck what the useless north london Guardian thinks about the ongoing situation, they're an irrelevant entity

Independent eh?

 

[spitfire]

Some reports on Twitter that UAF have crossed the Dnipro near Kherson.

 

[Flavour]

potential STOP THE PRESS!!!! Ukrainian and Russian telegram channels all reporting simultaneously that Lukashenko has spoken to Prigozhin and convinced him to stand down!

 

[two sheds]

potential STOP THE PRESS!!!! Ukrainian and Russian telegram channels all reporting simultaneously that Lukashenko has spoken to Prigozhin and convinced him to stand down!

Have you not seen your update on the other thread?

 

[Bingoman]

It looks the Wagner group are going back the Ukraine to fight

 

[The39thStep]

I guess Rishi Sunsk and Ben Wallace are no longer dancing on the tables

 

[cupid_stunt]

potential STOP THE PRESS!!!! Ukrainian and Russian telegram channels all reporting simultaneously that Lukashenko has spoken to Prigozhin and convinced him to stand down!

I've amended my 'haha' reaction to 'wow'.

WTF?

 

[Flavour]

Telegram again reporting that Prigozhin has called off the march on Moscow. there's an audio statement apparently.

meanwhile: the UA have crossed the Dnipro river

 

[SpookyFrank]

meanwhile: the UA have crossed the Dnipro river

Source?

 

[JimW]

Source?

No, bit further downstream.
Sorry.

 

[SpookyFrank]

No, bit further downstream.
Sorry.

I'm afraid the correct answer was, 'Valdai hills, Russia'. I can only give you half a point for this.

 

[planetgeli]

It looks the Wagner group are going back the Ukraine to fight

In a war they've just been told is based on a lie.

Mercenaries eh?

 

[Raheem]

I'd say that the people on this thread who have consistently argued that only Ukrainian capitulation can end this conflict have been comprehensively shown up in the last 24 hours 16 months

Amended 4u

 

[tim]

honestly i couldn't give a fuck what the useless north london Guardian thinks about the ongoing situation, they're an irrelevant entity

North London ???

Are you an antiSemite?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pam Ayres served in the RAF and worked at JARIC so would probably bring more to this debate than 99% of us here...

 

[jeff_leigh]

So did the Wagner PMC enjoy their day out in Rostov ?

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Some reports on Twitter that UAF have crossed the Dnipro near Kherson.

Unite Against Fascism have upped their game.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Unite Against Fascism have upped their game.

I was thinking Ulster when I first saw the abbreviation.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I was thinking Ulster when I first saw the abbreviation.

Ulster Against Fenians?

 

[Raheem]

So did the Wagner PMC enjoy their day out in Rostov ?

Apparently one of the team-building exercises had to be cut short.

 

[Idris2002]

honestly i couldn't give a fuck what the useless north london Guardian thinks about the ongoing situation, they're an irrelevant entity

Financial Times is the only decent UK paper left.