TopCat
Putin fanboy
The quite a bit of evidence, I’m not disputing this but would like to read about it if you can point me to what informs your view.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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It is a good idea to provide evidence to back up your claim that this particular type of corruption is being practiced in Russia by the Putin regime though, otherwise its just a claim without any evidence.
Yossarian
⏭️
Yeah, I guess "dramatically improve transparency" might have been a better choice of words - with their vows to thoroughly review aid to Ukraine, House Republicans in the US might actually be good for something, though they'll probably ignore anything that isn't connected to Hunter Biden's laptop.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
So is attempting to steal whole countries TBF.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I don't doubt for a second that Ukraine still has issues with corruption. But given that Ukraine has been able to not only resist but also push back the invasion of a significantly larger country, I'd wager that Russia has much worse problems with corruption. Don't we remember that massive armoured column that at one point was heading straight towards Kyiv, but which ultimately faltered at least in part because the poor fuckers' tyres kept falling apart?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Yeah, there is that, but on paper Russia has all the tanks and gubbins that a first rate army should have and the money left the budget for those bit's of bling. When you look a bit closer though you start to see that the new tyres they bought are cheap part worns from Boris's scrap yard and state of the art avionics turn out to be using google maps on a pilots phone blue-tacked to his cockpits dashboard.
You may just consider this innovative military doctrine, but to me it smells like cash is getting heavily skimmed. It happens in all over the world - remember those IED "detectors" that the British Army bought. They may as well have bought a bulk buy of e-meters from the Church of Scientology.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't think anything in your post relates to military doctrine auld or new, but to procurement.
Yossarian
⏭️
Reminds me of what happened with PPE procurement after Boris Johnson put the country on a "war footing."
nogojones
spelling is overrated
You fucker. You know full well that I'm much too lazy a cunt to go searching for loads of citations just to prove a point on the internet.
Though here's a few
Russia says a fifth of defense budget stolen
A fifth of Russia's state defense spending is stolen every year by corrupt officials, dishonest generals and crooked contractors, Russia's chief military prosecutor said in an interview published on Tuesday.
www.reuters.com
Russia
Find out more about corruption in Russia: Latest news, Corruption Perceptions Index score & local chapter’s contact information.
www.transparency.org
elbows
Well-Known Member
The difference between corruption in Ukraine and corruption in Russia is that there is pressure from Ukraines allies for Ukraine to at least be seen to be tackling some of these very well known issues.
Recent reporting alludes to this, eg:
Recent reporting alludes to this, eg:
Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive
A top aide and deputy defence minister are among those to resign as Kyiv tackles corruption reports.
www.bbc.co.uk
Yeah, the Ukrainian bourgeoisie can do no wrong.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh right, it's a case of 'something must be seen to be done' rather than 'this must end'The difference between corruption in Ukraine and corruption in Russia is that there is pressure from Ukraines allies for Ukraine to at least be seen to be tackling some of these very well known issues.
Recent reporting alludes to this, eg:
Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive
A top aide and deputy defence minister are among those to resign as Kyiv tackles corruption reports.www.bbc.co.uk
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Whether it's planes bomb-sights, tanks rangefinders or a states propaganda, optics is everything.
Exactly and the west is emaculate. A corruption free shining example of virtue.The difference between corruption in Ukraine and corruption in Russia is that there is pressure from Ukraines allies for Ukraine to at least be seen to be tackling some of these very well known issues.
Recent reporting alludes to this, eg:
Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive
A top aide and deputy defence minister are among those to resign as Kyiv tackles corruption reports.www.bbc.co.uk
In any case this is only what we know about and the bourgeois media can't be trusted anyway.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
This doesn't seem to have much to do with what you were responding to.
Pickmans is spot on though. Whereas what people like you are saying is : hey its OK the west will make things look not so bad.
Which is just blatantly disingenuous.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thanks. I will have a read.You fucker. You know full well that I'm much too lazy a cunt to go searching for loads of citations just to prove a point on the internet.
Though here's a few
Russia says a fifth of defense budget stolen
A fifth of Russia's state defense spending is stolen every year by corrupt officials, dishonest generals and crooked contractors, Russia's chief military prosecutor said in an interview published on Tuesday.
Russia
Find out more about corruption in Russia: Latest news, Corruption Perceptions Index score & local chapter’s contact information.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Nice words you're putting in my mouth. That's exactly what I mean. I just love western liberal capitalism.
I'm sure that state corruption in Russia of this kind is a thing, but its not great that you had to post a link from 2011 is it?You fucker. You know full well that I'm much too lazy a cunt to go searching for loads of citations just to prove a point on the internet.
Though here's a few
Russia says a fifth of defense budget stolen
A fifth of Russia's state defense spending is stolen every year by corrupt officials, dishonest generals and crooked contractors, Russia's chief military prosecutor said in an interview published on Tuesday.
Russia
Find out more about corruption in Russia: Latest news, Corruption Perceptions Index score & local chapter’s contact information.
No doubt you do your bit to actively support it, wouldn't surprise me anyway.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
That’s a bit harsh.
elbows
Well-Known Member
A bit of both is plausible, but I will reserve judgement as to the ultimate extent to which meaningful and lasting reform is achieved. Some of the pressure to change is real enough, war can provide real impetus for meaningful, rapid change, but obviously also provides much fog and reasons to look the other way or pay mere lip service to issues.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Only minor pilfering from work in the workers paradise of Putin's Russia. Like eight ton warship propellers...
The Captain of a Russian Destroyer Allegedly Stole His Own Propellers
That's some seriously expensive scrap.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Perhaps because you're only reading stuff that confirms your bias?
Here you go:
Corruption in the Russian Armed Forces
Corruption is endemic in Russia and is pervasive within its defence industrial sector and armed forces. Evidence from Ukraine suggests that it is costing Russian lives.
rusi.org
Russian corruption: A factor in the war in Ukraine?
Historically, there has been a steady stream of high-level Russian military officials who have been called up on corruption charges.
www.army-technology.com
Russian military’s corruption quagmire
Bogged down in Ukraine, Russian forces battle the consequences of systemic sleaze.
www.politico.eu
‘The army has nothing’: new Russian conscripts bemoan lack of supplies
Relatives purchase armour and clothing for soldiers on frontline due to theft, corruption and poor logistics
The Unholy Trinity of Corruption, Low Morale, and Military Failure
There is an extreme difference in the morale of the Ukrainian troops as compared to the Russian troops, one that is worth noting and is best understood in a historical
www.lawfareblog.com
As War Hits the Homefront, Russia’s Defeat Inches Closer
Battlefield losses, military corruption, and a disastrous mobilization drive have broken the social contract.
foreignpolicy.com
Rank and File Corrupted: Uncertain Attribution and Corruption in Russia’s Military Cyber Units | The Post-Soviet Post | CSIS
Corruption has riddled the ranks of the Russian military for decades, persisting in operations, maintenance and personnel.
Ukrainian victory shatters Russia’s reputation as a military superpower
The stunning success of Ukraine’s counteroffensive in the Kharkiv region has exposed the rotten reality behind Russia’s military superpower reputation and convinced many that a decisive Ukrainian victory is now possible.
www.atlanticcouncil.org
Chinese academic: Ukraine war shows a corrupt Russia inside and out
Outdated military equipment, expired rations and the plundering of household appliances - these are the realities of Russia's military fighting in Ukraine. Meanwhile, those at home face a leadership characterised by corruption and impunity. Economics professor Zhu Ying highlights the incidents...
Russia - Government Defence Integrity Index
ti-defence.org
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I presume your defence of the Putin regime is because it shares your long established on here anti-semitism? asking for a friend.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
The entire point of most of these armaments was to dissuade Russian aggression. It's simply putting the weapons to the use they were intended for. If Ukraine falls, a few dozen artillery pieces aren't going to save Estonia. Funny enough, most of their gear is ex-Finnish stuff donated to them on pretty much the same basis. It remains to be seen how much Poland is willing to trade away their strength - at the moment, most of their donations have been swapped for newer and better gear from the US. The UK is pretty much looking at it that way - what a great excuse to get some new kit! It's not like those Challies they're sending over were going to do anything, and there's only a budget to upgrade a sub-set of them to modern standards.
ska invita
back on the other side
weird turn for the thread, anarchists defensively demanding evidence corrupt dictatorial imperial state is corrupt
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Here's a more recent (2018) scholarly study (citation count: 125, many available as hyperlinks to other studies/reports) on corruption in the Russian military. It starts with a whole section on corruption in the Russian state in general. I have also included the first citation, which looks like a good overview of Russian corruption in general.
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