Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[TopCat]

On Sunday, anti-corruption police said they had detained the deputy infrastructure minister on suspicion of receiving a $400,000 kickback over the import of generators last September, an allegation the minister denies.

A newspaper investigation accused the defence ministry of overpaying suppliers for soldiers’ food. The supplier has said it made a technical mistake and no money had changed hands.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, reports say — as it happened

Media reports say German chancellor Olaf Scholz has decided to send the vehicles and allow other countries to send their German-made tanks

www.theguardian.com

 

[tim]

Thankyou for reminding me of how stupid and politically shit these forums can be and why I spend much less time here these days.

Not enough less time.

 

[TopCat]

On Sunday, anti-corruption police said they had detained the deputy infrastructure minister on suspicion of receiving a $400,000 kickback over the import of generators last September, an allegation the minister denies.

A newspaper investigation accused the defence ministry of overpaying suppliers for soldiers’ food. The supplier has said it made a technical mistake and no money had changed hands.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Germany to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, reports say — as it happened

Media reports say German chancellor Olaf Scholz has decided to send the vehicles and allow other countries to send their German-made tanks

www.theguardian.com

I wonder just how much military equipment has been stolen and sold. We will see bits turning up all over the world I think.

 

[MickiQ]

She is of an age where she should be hanging out with her friends, planning what she is going to do at college, thinking about boys and annoying her parents. Clearly The Russians attempt to break the Ukrainians resolve to fight is getting them nowhere.
I love this video think it's great.

 

[TopCat]

• The deputy head of Ukraine’s presidential office, Kyrylo Tymoshenko, said on Tuesday he had asked President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Monday to relieve him of his duties as part of a wave of government resignations and dismissals. The move comes amid a corruption scandal which saw Infrastructure deputy Vasyl Lozinskyi sacked and detained for an alleged theft of $400,000 from the winter aid budget. Tymoshenko, 33, had been the deputy head of presidential office since 2019, overseeing regions and regional policies. He also worked with Zelenskiy during his election campaign, overseeing media and creative content.

 

[Pickman's model]

She is of an age where she should be hanging out with her friends, planning what she is going to do at college, thinking about boys and annoying her parents. Clearly The Russians attempt to break the Ukrainians resolve to fight is getting them nowhere.
I love this video think it's great.

it's great what you can tell from one short clip

 

[TopCat]

Further reports today of thievery and corruption.

• Ukraine’s deputy defence minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov, responsible for supplying troops with food and equipment, has also resigned, citing “media accusations” of corruption that he and the ministry say are baseless. A statement on the defence ministry’s website said Shapovalov’s resignation was “a worthy deed” that would help retain trust in the ministry
• Deputy prosecutor general Oleksiy Symonenko has been removed from his post, according to the prosecutor general’s office, and two deputy ministers resigned from Ukraine’s ministry of communities and territories Development – Vyacheslav Negoda and Ivan Lukerya. Reportedly the heads of five regional authorities have also been dismissed, in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kyiv, Sumy and Kherson.

 

[strung out]

I wonder just how much military equipment has been stolen and sold. We will see bits turning up all over the world I think.

The only evidence so far of military equipment turning up outside of Ukraine was when a Russian soldier back from the front line managed to blow up his own car with a stolen grenade launcher last year.

Idiot steals rocket from battlefield then it exploded in his car in Russia

Images on social media show the wreckage of a car with its rear blown off outside a block of houses.

metro.co.uk

 

[editor]

Further reports today of thievery and corruption.

• Ukraine’s deputy defence minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov, responsible for supplying troops with food and equipment, has also resigned, citing “media accusations” of corruption that he and the ministry say are baseless. A statement on the defence ministry’s website said Shapovalov’s resignation was “a worthy deed” that would help retain trust in the ministry
• Deputy prosecutor general Oleksiy Symonenko has been removed from his post, according to the prosecutor general’s office, and two deputy ministers resigned from Ukraine’s ministry of communities and territories Development – Vyacheslav Negoda and Ivan Lukerya. Reportedly the heads of five regional authorities have also been dismissed, in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kyiv, Sumy and Kherson.

Will you be updating us with reports of Russian thievery and corruption too?

 

[Pickman's model]

The only evidence so far of military equipment turning up outside of Ukraine was when a Russian soldier back from the front line managed to blow up his own car with a stolen grenade launcher last year.

Idiot steals rocket from battlefield then it exploded in his car in Russia

Images on social media show the wreckage of a car with its rear blown off outside a block of houses.

metro.co.uk

not so. Poland top cop accidentally set off grenade launcher given by Ukraine

 

[Pickman's model]

Will you be updating us with reports of Russian thievery and corruption too?

so many posters are doing such an excellent job of that already i don't think TopCat needs to

 

[TopCat]

Will you be updating us with reports of Russian thievery and corruption too?

I haven’t seen any such reports of Russian politicians stealing winter aid money, generator money, troops food supplies. I only really look in the Guardian though. I doubt you would accept quotes from RT on Urban.

 

[The39thStep]

I wonder just how much military equipment has been stolen and sold. We will see bits turning up all over the world I think.

Europol have been working with Ukraine since spring last year over a number of issues including criminal activities and the war including weapons trafficking and the exploitation of Ukrainian refugees by criminal gangs.

 

[Cid]

I haven’t seen any such reports of Russian politicians stealing winter aid money, generator money, troops food supplies. I only really look in the Guardian though. I doubt you would accept quotes from RT on Urban.

Do you genuinely think those things (or similar) aren't happening in Russia?

 

[MickiQ]

it's great what you can tell from one short clip

It's a gift

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you genuinely think those things (or similar) aren't happening in Russia?

quite right. TopCat should stop looking for evidence and accept gut feelings and opinions instead

 

[Pickman's model]

It's a gift

it's bollocks. you can't really extrapolate from any clip or image how people in ukraine feel any more than one artefact from any other conflict.

 

[TopCat]

Do you genuinely think those things (or similar) aren't happening in Russia?

I don’t know. I haven’t seen evidence of this reported.

 

[Raheem]

Give the guy a break. You can only ever find what you're googling for.

 

[TopCat]

But given posters here have raised money for generators and similar I thought it of interest that donations are being stolen by those politicians stoking the conflict.

 

[Yossarian]

Do you genuinely think those things (or similar) aren't happening in Russia?

I think there's probably more room for debate on Ukraine's efforts to root out corruption because it seems to be a given that the Russian system is riddled with corruption from the bottom to the very top and there's no chance of that changing until the government changes.

 

[TopCat]

Stealing the funds for soldiers food supplies is also jaw dropping in my view.

 

[TopCat]

I think there's probably more room for debate on Ukraine's efforts to root out corruption because it seems to be a given that the Russian system is riddled with corruption from the bottom to the very top and there's no chance of that changing until the government changes.

A given? Do elucidate?

 

[Yossarian]

But given posters here have raised money for generators and similar I thought it of interest that donations are being stolen by those politicians stoking the conflict.

Raising money for generators to be sent to Ukraine certainly seems like it might be a better bet than raising money to give to Ukrainian officials to buy generators with.

 

[TopCat]

Raising money for generators to be sent to Ukraine certainly seems like it might be a better bet than raising money to give to Ukrainian officials to buy generators with.

It raises questions with all donations really. If the politicians and officials are stealing war supplies then integrity and trust is gone.

 

[Sweet FA]

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[nogojones]

The only evidence so far of military equipment turning up outside of Ukraine was when a Russian soldier back from the front line managed to blow up his own car with a stolen grenade launcher last year.

Idiot steals rocket from battlefield then it exploded in his car in Russia

Images on social media show the wreckage of a car with its rear blown off outside a block of houses.

metro.co.uk

And the Polish pig who fired a grenade launcher in his office.

I quite fancy one of these grenade launcher things. I'll keep an eye out down the boot sale

eta. Pickman's model gets there first

 

[CNT36]

Will you be updating us with reports of Russian thievery and corruption too?

That's been all over the papers and is well documented all over the place. The whataboutery charge you throw about? Your post is a perfect example.
Ukrainians deserve a decent society to live in post war. Corruption reduces the chances of that and undermines the war effort as well.

 

[Pickman's model]

Give the guy a break. You can only ever find what you're googling for.

if that's the only way you find stuff on the internet there's a lot you're missing out on

 

[strung out]

And the Polish pig who fired a grenade launcher in his office.

I quite fancy one of these grenade launcher things. I'll keep an eye out down the boot sale

True, though that was gifted, for some strange reason. Not sure there's any evidence of western weapons being stolen - I understand they're being very tightly controlled, not least because Ukrainians want to actually win the war, which they can't do if they cream off weapons supplies.