not-bono-ever
meh
That reminds me of long bus journeys in Yugoslavia back in the day. It made things more bearable.Laški Rizling
ETA also sleeping in a field next to the Hungarian border in a hot October waiting for our entry visas to be valid
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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ETA also sleeping in a field next to the Hungarian border in a hot October waiting for our entry visas to be valid
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Yes, but my point was unlike Iraq and Afghanistan there's a good reason not to walk away. So they don't end up as "buffer states" for Putin Russia.
It's something that's actually possible, unlike at the end of WW2.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there were good reasons not to walk away from iraq and afghanistan too.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Crossing bridges can be an issue you say?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there was an article on the guardian website about this that i saw, and they seemed to think the 20 tonne weight thing would be important on other infrastructure apart from bridges. i suppose it's one thing to roar across the fulda gap in a challenger and another to go across country in the rather boggier ukraine
gosub
~#
Russians are saying will lead to more civilian deaths.
Which is fair enough given their experience...They sent a load of tanks into Ukraine and quite a lot of innocent civilians died.
Agree training shouldn't be problem. Eastern Europeans never put milk in before the hot water
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
putting milk in tea - whether before or after the hot water - is an abomination
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Didn't know the SA80 had a bottle opener?
Mind you the REME belt worked well as a bottle opener.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
A truly British tank
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
How many of those were U.K. governments? I can think of a couple.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It’ll have a slushy machine probs.The Abrams probably has a microwave
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The rifled gun is better for killing tanks at longer ranges - it's more accurate.
But... It's more expensive compared to smoothbore barrels, and the ammunition is more expensive than for smoothbore barrels. Add this to modern , western fire control systems which make the smoothbore only marginally less capable than the rifled, and you get a decision that you may as well go for smoothbore.
The barrel for the Challenger 3 tank - replacement for Ch2 - is smoothbore. Ch2 is now the only tank in NATO that is rifled, so not only does that create a logistics bottleneck, it also - because of a lack of economies of scale - makes British ammunition much more expensive than US, or German, or Finnish etc.. ammunition.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
It's a BV, if you don't mind. Otherwise, how can someone charge £100,000 to specify it?
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Five people known to have been killed and at least 39 injured today in attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This interesting podcast with Arthur Snell suggests that not all the fires in Russia are accidental. Doomsday Watch with Arthur Snell - SPECIAL: Who's burning Russia? Secrets of a covert ops offensive
What is especially interesting are the...careful denials
What is especially interesting are the...careful denials
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
ISW's daily report occasionally mentions arson attacks at army recruitment / mobilization centres. Usually thrown molotov cocktails.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
The podcast I linked to suggests that this probably is spontaneous social protest - I think they're more talking about bigger fires in more strategic locations, and some of the partisan stuff like disruption of railway lines and communications nodes.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The CIA's Operation Red Sox post WW2 is worth catching up on. The CIA sent 85 agents to their death trying to link up with 'resistance groups' in Soviet areas.
" The main body of Ukrainian insurgents, and in particular the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, had already been linked directly to Nazi atrocities in the region. “They were Nazis, pure and simple,” one CIA operations chief said. “Worse than that, because a lot of them did the Nazis’ dirty work for them.”
The Covert Operation to Back Ukrainian Independence that Haunts the CIA
After WWII, officials in Washington sent scores of agents to their deaths in a misguided effort to create an uprising against Moscow.
www.politico.com
TopCat
Putin fanboy
A continuous policy up to the present day.The CIA's Operation Red Sox post WW2 is worth catching up on. The CIA sent 85 agents to their death trying to link up with 'resistance groups' in Soviet areas.
" The main body of Ukrainian insurgents, and in particular the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, had already been linked directly to Nazi atrocities in the region. “They were Nazis, pure and simple,” one CIA operations chief said. “Worse than that, because a lot of them did the Nazis’ dirty work for them.”
The Covert Operation to Back Ukrainian Independence that Haunts the CIA
After WWII, officials in Washington sent scores of agents to their deaths in a misguided effort to create an uprising against Moscow.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
picked this up from the UKR livemap application this morning :
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IIRC, that's the same area that has had "stuff" dropped on it previously.
"Moldovan bomb squads detonated an 80-kilogram explosive warhead from a Russian missile that fell in the northern part of the country near Larga on January 14"
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IIRC, that's the same area that has had "stuff" dropped on it previously.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Who fired the missile and at what.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
With an 80kg warhead - taking the article, and it's translation(s) at face value - it's almost certainly a surface to air missile, fired from Ukraine, at an incoming air/surface to surface missile, or a Russian aircraft.
Possiblity it could be a Russian SAM, fired from Belarus, it's certainly possible, but in terms of numbers fired, probably Ukrainian. The port of Odessa is pretty close to the Moldovan border, so i wouldn't fall off my chair if the Ukrainians had fired at Russian missiles, and one had gone astray.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
There seems to be a pattern with Americans backing one side and some decades later backing the other side, I guess most countries do the same and its just America does so much of that sort of shit that it shows up more clearly.
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