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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
- Thread starter kebabking
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Are you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever? 
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.
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You're giving bimble a run for her money if this is the level of debate you think we should be at.
Ax^
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Derailing you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever?
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.
its not Nato Fault all the blame for this can be laid at your door alone
what have you done Magnus
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If you read the thread you'll catch up with lots of things and the bit about zelensky's trip to the russian red light district is one of the highlightsDerailing you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever?
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.
Unfortunately I couldn't keep up with the thread in the early days. I said as much on this very thread. It's like a 24 hour rolling news channel on steroids.
But Putin HIMSELF stated NATO on his borders to justify the 2014 annexing of Crimea. And powers having neutral buffer countries are a normal state of the status quo.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There are worse contributions than bimble
I'm not taking Russia's side though.
I think you're projecting things here.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
mostly other folks in the brexit thread
Mine?
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This is 2022. 2014 wants its argument back. We've done nato expansion to death and only rd2003 keeps banging on about it. Do you want to be the only other poster in rd2003's camp?
E2A neutral buffer states are not a normal feature of the status quo. Where's the one between France and England or Germany and France?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Nope but he walks among usMine?
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I'm not in his camp. Why do you think China wants Taiwan out of interest? Why does it put up with DPRK? Why doesn't the US want Socialism on its borders?
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All the answers to those questions, and more, will be in my pay to listen podcast you can download for just a pound on the weekend
It was a rhetorical question.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Do you even read what you've written?
If Putin is scared of having NATO on his borders, why has he massively depleted Russian forces from the Finnish border, from Kaliningrad, from the Estonian border and repositioned them in Ukraine?
Do you think that the UK, as a significant military power, has the right to require adjacent states to accept neutrality, or other political/military/economic statuses - regardless of their own preferences - because, err.. status quo?
I'm not justifying Russia's actions at all. But you clearly think that Russia wouldn't desire Ukraine as a buffer country (why?) despite them stating it as an objective!
What happened in Ireland btw?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
How do you know this?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Don’t you understand. The only people with agency are white men from the UK or USA. Everyone else in the world is a childlike waif incapable of decisions. Get with the programme…
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
It's weird isn't it, how Russia got so massive, all those nations and regions miraculously absorbed over time. Maybe all their absorption was provoked by outside forces beyond their control. Poor threatened Abzorbalov just expanding away, minding its own business. 
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing but it looks like the former...
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