Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Pickman's model]

If this is the level of debate I think I'll opt out.

Don't blame everyone for bimble's low level of debate

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Are you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever?
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you don't think the Russian Federation would regard NATO on their borders as a threat then I have no idea why You're facepalming tbh.

You're giving bimble a run for her money if this is the level of debate you think we should be at.

 

[Ax^]

Derailing you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever?
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.

its not Nato Fault all the blame for this can be laid at your door alone

what have you done Magnus

 

[Pickman's model]

Derailing you believing some alternate reality where NATO expansion played no role whatsoever?
Fucking hell. Tell me what the last 600 pages decided then.

If you read the thread you'll catch up with lots of things and the bit about zelensky's trip to the russian red light district is one of the highlights

 

[bimble]

At least blaming Putin’s mum hasn’t been done ten thousand times before by weird performative ‘anti imperialist’ dudes on the internet, it’s my shit geopolitical theory and I’m sticking with it for today.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you read the thread you'll catch up with lots of things and the bit about zelensky's trip to the russian red light district is one of the highlights

Unfortunately I couldn't keep up with the thread in the early days. I said as much on this very thread. It's like a 24 hour rolling news channel on steroids.
But Putin HIMSELF stated NATO on his borders to justify the 2014 annexing of Crimea. And powers having neutral buffer countries are a normal state of the status quo.

 

[The39thStep]

If this is the level of debate I think I'll opt out.

There are worse contributions than bimble

 

[Magnus McGinty]

At least blaming Putin’s mum hasn’t been done ten thousand times before by weird performative ‘anti imperialist’ dudes on the internet, it’s my shit geopolitical theory and I’m sticking with it for today.

I'm not taking Russia's side though. I think you're projecting things here.

 

[Ax^]

a giving Hitler the rhineland stop his expansionist ideas


Take that Nato

*shakes fist at sky

 

[Ax^]

There are worse contributions than bimble

mostly other folks in the brexit thread

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There are worse contributions than bimble

Mine?

 

[Pickman's model]

Unfortunately I couldn't keep up with the thread in the early days. I said as much on this very thread. It's like a 24 hour rolling news channel on steroids.
But Putin HIMSELF stated NATO on his borders to justify the 2014 annexing of Crimea. And powers having neutral buffer countries are a normal state of the status quo.

This is 2022. 2014 wants its argument back. We've done nato expansion to death and only rd2003 keeps banging on about it. Do you want to be the only other poster in rd2003's camp?

E2A neutral buffer states are not a normal feature of the status quo. Where's the one between France and England or Germany and France?

 

[The39thStep]

Mine?

Nope but he walks among us

 

[Ax^]

Don't be mean to Topcat

uncalled for The39thstep

 

[Pickman's model]

a giving Hitler the rhineland stop his expansionist ideas


Take that Nato

*shakes fist at sky

The rhineland was never not in Germany in the c20. The issue was that after ww1 it was demilitarised, until German troops moved into it in 1936

 

[Ax^]

Remilatarising the Rhineland did not stop Hilter expansions ideas


Take that NATO

 

[Magnus McGinty]

This is 2022. 2014 wants its argument back. We've done nato expansion to death and only rd2003 keeps banging on about it. Do you want to be the only other poster in rd2003's camp?

I'm not in his camp. Why do you think China wants Taiwan out of interest? Why does it put up with DPRK? Why doesn't the US want Socialism on its borders?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not in his camp. Why do you think China wants Taiwan out of interest? Why does it put up with DPRK? Why doesn't the US want Socialism on its borders?

All the answers to those questions, and more, will be in my pay to listen podcast you can download for just a pound on the weekend

 

[Magnus McGinty]

All the answers to those questions, and more, will be in my pay to listen podcast you can download for just a pound on the weekend

It was a rhetorical question.

 

[kebabking]

Unfortunately I couldn't keep up with the thread in the early days. I said as much on this very thread. It's like a 24 hour rolling news channel on steroids.
But Putin HIMSELF stated NATO on his borders to justify the 2014 annexing of Crimea. And powers having neutral buffer countries are a normal state of the status quo.

Do you even read what you've written?

If Putin is scared of having NATO on his borders, why has he massively depleted Russian forces from the Finnish border, from Kaliningrad, from the Estonian border and repositioned them in Ukraine?

Do you think that the UK, as a significant military power, has the right to require adjacent states to accept neutrality, or other political/military/economic statuses - regardless of their own preferences - because, err.. status quo?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Do you even read what you've written?

If Putin is scared of having NATO on his borders, why has he massively depleted Russian forces from the Finnish border, from Kaliningrad, from the Estonian border and repositioned them in Ukraine?

Do you think that the UK, as a significant military power, has the right to require adjacent states to accept neutrality, or other political/military/economic statuses - regardless of their own preferences - because, err.. status quo?

I'm not justifying Russia's actions at all. But you clearly think that Russia wouldn't desire Ukraine as a buffer country (why?) despite them stating it as an objective!

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Do you think that the UK, as a significant military power, has the right to require adjacent states to accept neutrality, or other political/military/economic statuses - regardless of their own preferences - because, err.. status quo?

What happened in Ireland btw?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm not justifying Russia's actions at all. But you clearly think that Russia wouldn't desire Ukraine as a buffer country (why?) despite them stating it as an objective!

(((Putin may have been telling porkies, shocking I know)))

 

[Magnus McGinty]

(((Putin may have been telling porkies, shocking I know)))

How do you know this?

 

[A380]

If you don't think the Russian Federation would regard NATO on their borders as a threat then I have no idea why You're facepalming tbh.

Don’t you understand. The only people with agency are white men from the UK or USA. Everyone else in the world is a childlike waif incapable of decisions. Get with the programme…

 

[Dystopiary]

It's weird isn't it, how Russia got so massive, all those nations and regions miraculously absorbed over time. Maybe all their absorption was provoked by outside forces beyond their control. Poor threatened Abzorbalov just expanding away, minding its own business.

 

[Ax^]

What happened in Ireland btw?

the English imported the worst type of Morris dancers

Orangemen

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Don’t you understand. The only people with agency are white men from the UK or USA. Everyone else in the world is a childlike waif incapable of decisions. Get with the programme…

Not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing but it looks like the former...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

the English imported the worst type of Morris dancers

Orangemen

Careful now, pointing that out means you condone it.