Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Raheem]

Foolscap, you bloody remoaners!

 

[strung out]

russian backed separatists did the same to mh17

Don't think there's even any need to call them that now. It was Russia that did it - Russian FSB officer Igor Girkin was in charge of the unit, mainly made up of Russian nationals, that shot the plane down.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He seems to have already said its a provocation against Russia by NATO, so the lies have begun already, and he's removed his own ability to say it was an accident by Russia.

Lord Dannat suggested on Sky News it might be 'accidentally on purpose', but who knows. We will know for sure what the purpose of it all was when we are vapourised.

This aged well.

 

[The39thStep]

This aged well.

as is Lord Dannett, last article I read from him was about them running out of veins to inject on Putin's body.

 

[TopCat]

as is Lord Dannett, last article I read from him was about them running out of veins to inject on Putin's body.

Some of the propaganda is beyond hilarious.

 

[Smangus]

Best way to get a5 is to use a guillotine

I thought that was Royal families?

 

[steveo87]

MH is slightly better today so I'm thinking slightly clearer today -

As others have mentioned, if Russia really wanted to 'start something' with Poland, picking an obscure farm on the border seems odd.

I think the consensus is that it was a Russian rocket, knocked off course by Ukrainian defence.

What I am glad about us that NATO didn't go straight into 'sabre rattling mode', save the usual 'we will defend out allies' rhetoric, which is to ve expected - and seem much more willing to let Russia continue to fuck things up for themselves.

 

[TopCat]

MH is slightly better today so I'm thinking slightly clearer today -

As others have mentioned, if Russia really wanted to 'start something' with Poland, picking an obscure farm on the border seems odd.

I think the consensus is that it was a Russian rocket, knocked off course by Ukrainian defence.

What I am glad about us that NATO didn't go straight into 'sabre rattling mode', save the usual 'we will defend out allies' rhetoric, which is to ve expected - and seem much more willing to let Russia continue to fuck things up for themselves.

The consensus is in fact that it was a Ukrainian missile. Why and what it was shot at begs a few questions.

 

[xenon]

There was no way Nato were going to invoke article 5 due to a stray missile. Come on. I know things are tense but let's be real.

 

[editor]

The consensus is in fact that it was a Ukrainian missile. Why and what it was shot at begs a few questions.

One thing's for sure: it wouldn't have been in the air at all if Russia hadn't invaded their land and set about murdering thousands of their civilians and destroying homes and infrastructure.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

The consensus is in fact that it was a Ukrainian missile. Why and what it was shot at begs a few questions.

It seems likely (and what the Poles think) that it was in fact being fired at a Russian missile.

 

[TopCat]

It seems likely (and what the Poles think) that it was in fact being fired at a Russian missile.

Yeah. Not sure where a Russian missile would be travelling from or to given the site of the debris though.

 

[Yossarian]

I hope Poland's equipped to avoid similar misunderstandings by taking out any Russian missile that comes within 800 miles or so of its border with Ukraine.

 

[Ĝasper]

Oil Depot in Russian region of Oryol was hit by a drone a few hours ago. Seems it was empty though.

Suspected drone hits oil depot in Russia's Oryol, officials say

A suspected drone struck a tanker at an oil depot in the Russian region of Oryol on Wednesday, officials said.

www.reuters.com

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I know I'm winding folk up speculating w/o evidence. But what about the timing of this? Just hours after the Poland thing. Who dunnit? And was it a 'two can play that game' hitting things beyond the UA borders message? Racking my brain to think of international incidents outside of UA in this war... think these 2 and the NordStream pipeline attack are the main 3 (the only 3?).

 

[Pickman's model]

I know I'm winding folk up speculating w/o evidence. But what about the timing of this? Just hours after the Poland thing. Who dunnit? And was it a 'two can play that game' hitting things beyond the UA borders message? Racking my brain to think of international incidents outside of UA in this war... think these 2 and the NordStream pipeline attack are the main 3 (the only 3?).

That won't take long

 

[TopCat]

I hope Poland's equipped to avoid similar misunderstandings by taking out any Russian missile that comes within 800 miles or so of its border with Ukraine.

War with Russia, war with China. Regan's child.

 

[bcuster]

It seems likely (and what the Poles think) that it was in fact being fired at a Russian missile.

Polish president says missile that hit village was probably 'old' S-300 rocket

The missile that caused an explosion in a Polish village near the Ukrainian border was probably an S-300, the Polish president said on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Yossarian]

War with Russia, war with China. Regan's child.

 

[steveo87]

I know it won't happen, but I just had a vision of Poland thinking ' fuck it article 5 of Ukraine!'.

 

[nogojones]

I recollect the US shooting down an Iranian airliner killing all on board.

And of a Malaysian airliner shot down over Ukraine by Russians, with a similar outcome.

 

[nogojones]

russian backed separatists did the same to mh17

Well three Russians and one Ukrainian were charged.

 

[Raheem]

Well three Russians and one Ukrainian were charged.

The "Russian-backed separatists" could only afford so many Ukrainians.

 

[nogojones]

The consensus is in fact that it was a Ukrainian missile. Why and what it was shot at begs a few questions.

Given it was a air defence missile, I'm hazarding a guess that it was aimed at something in the sky.

 

[Kaka Tim]

They demand they don’t ask. Constantly trying to drag everyone into their war.

Yeah. Doing all they can to to stop their country being wiped out and their cities being bombed to fuck. The bastards.

 

[cupid_stunt]

They demand they don’t ask. Constantly trying to drag everyone into their war.

They are not 'constantly trying to drag everyone into their war', far from it, they have made it clear they only need the weapons to get the job done, and they will do the rest.

 

[xenon]

I know it won't happen, but I just had a vision of Poland thinking ' fuck it article 5 of Ukraine!'.

Wasn't meant at you particularly TBH. Appreciate it's easy to overthink and frett on this stuff, especially in the small hours. I was in the pub when I read the news last night and joked to the barman about it being time to get some iodine pills etc...

 

[TopCat]

Given it was a air defence missile, I'm hazarding a guess that it was aimed at something in the sky.

You can do better than that. Looking at where the explosions were a missile either flew right across the entire Ukraine before being shot at or was launched from Belarus at the border region of Ukraine/Poland. Ordinance does malfunction of course but it remains of interest especially given the Ukrainian statements this morning.

 

[A380]

[QUOTE="Pickman's model, post: 17928210, member: 3913" …some posters are to jump to conclusions based on nothing more than their own preconceptions and without a shred of evidence.
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Urban Feature not a Bug

 

[bimble]

Hot Takes from the US of A:

 

[maomao]

You can do better than that. Looking at where the explosions were a missile either flew right across the entire Ukraine before being shot at or was launched from Belarus at the border region of Ukraine/Poland. Ordinance does malfunction of course but it remains of interest especially given the Ukrainian statements this morning.

There's a fairly good chance that the whole story isn't public anyway. Within which there is a range of possibilities.