Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Pickman's model]

Does that mean you think the US did the right thing, or did the wrong thing?

Yes, it does

 

[two sheds]

Amusingly (!!) at the same time MI5 decided that another woman, born in Germany, well educated, multi-lungual, and well travelled could not be a threat to national security because she spent so much time baking cakes and looking after her children in a little village in Oxfordshire.

Mrs Corbyn?

She had a massive radio station in the back garden, was a Colonel in the Soviet Army's GRU, was the handler of Klaus Fuchs - the most important of the atomic spies - and had known a then senior MI5 officer called Roger Hollis while they had both been living in Shanghai and she had been publicly helping to run the Communist Internationals' bookshop, among other things...

Giving the memorable headline when he scarpered back to Russia of "Klaus Fuchs Ducks behind the Iron Curtain"

although I can't see that when I search for it now

 

[Cid]

Poland have acknowledged it as a likely accident by UA air defence now.

Russia-Ukraine war live: missile strike that killed two in Poland likely an accident from Ukrainian air defence, says Warsaw

Polish president says no sign that incident was part of an intentional attack

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

Does that mean you think the US did the right thing, or did the wrong thing?

Sorry, it's just really hard to keep up with your independent thinking/Crack habit....

Never taken crack.

I condemned the US at the time and still do. What was your view?

 

[frogwoman]

I doubt we'll know what really happened for years tbh. Not really in anyone's interest to trigger A5 either way

 

[LDC]

Looking like Ukrainian air defence related now according to the news.

 

[TopCat]

Smells fishy

 

[Kaka Tim]

If Putin were going to attack Poland or any other NATO country, he wouldn't just go straight in and bomb Warsaw, just as he didnt go straight in and bomb Kyiv - he annxed the Crimea and the Donbass - except those acts were "accidents" too - "an over enthusiastic motorcycle gang seized Crimea, we never gave the order", "the Donbass voted to secede, they are scared of nazis from the west of Ukraine" - thats how it was billed.

Maybe this was a genuine accident in Poland though. Maybe it was a Ukrainian missile. Who knows. Then again, maybe next time it will be 6 missiles in Lithuania, ("wooopsie!") rather than 2 in Poland.

ah - yes . the 5D chess game that putin is such a master of.

Russia attacking anyone else right now would be utterly self defeating. What would he achieve by accidentally on purpose sending missiles into the Baltic states - other than ensure even more military hardware going to Ukraine and ever greater calls for a no fly zone?
Its Putin who has been doing all the bluster and threats and his bluff has been repeatedly called. i.e. annexing bits of ukraine so he could claim self defence if and when Ukraine took them back whilst waving his nukes. Well that's aged well hasn't it? Especially since Xi yanked his chain WRT to going nuclear.

 

[two sheds]

Smells fishy

Why fishy? Seems like a 50/50 chance, and I read that it was a Ukrainian missile aimed at an incoming Russian one.

 

[LDC]

Whatever it was I bet TopCat would say it was probably really something else, I'd ignore him.

 

[two sheds]

I'm waiting for the US to trigger A5 and invade Ukraine

 

[TopCat]

Whatever it was I bet TopCat would say it was probably really something else, I'd ignore him.

Put me on ignore then you twat.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Both Poland & NATO has said that it was likely to have been a Ukrainian air defence missile.

 

[Ax^]

I recollect the US shooting down an Iranian airliner killing all on board.

russian backed separatists did the same to mh17

 

[Indeliblelink]

Oil Depot in Russian region of Oryol was hit by a drone a few hours ago. Seems it was empty though.

Suspected drone hits oil depot in Russia's Oryol, officials say

A suspected drone struck a tanker at an oil depot in the Russian region of Oryol on Wednesday, officials said.

www.reuters.com

 

[The39thStep]

Does anyone remember the Syrian missile that hit North Cyprus by mistake?

 

[Pickman's model]

I doubt we'll know what really happened for years tbh. Not really in anyone's interest to trigger A5 either way

But a4 is twice as big

 

[The39thStep]

Both Poland & NATO has said that it was likely to have been a Ukrainian air defence missile.

Biden said Ukraine air defence missile responsible for Poland blast - NATO source

U.S. President Joe Biden told G7 and NATO partners that a missile blast in eastern Poland was caused by a Ukrainian air defence missile, a NATO source told Reuters on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Pickman's model]

Does that mean you think the US did the right thing, or did the wrong thing?

Sorry, it's just really hard to keep up with your independent thinking/Crack habit....

The Americans did both the right thing and the wrong thing. They went in too light and without the cultural knowledge they'd had and lost. They made all the noises about changing Afghanistan and tried to impose their own design on the country. If you look at the book taliban narratives you'll see they made major mistakes in their info ops. The variation in coin approaches across the country, as in Iraq, undermined the strategic objectives

 

[TopCat]

Does anyone remember the Syrian missile that hit North Cyprus by mistake?

No?

 

[TopCat]

Why fishy? Seems like a 50/50 chance, and I read that it was a Ukrainian missile aimed at an incoming Russian one.

Well the Ukrainians immediately blamed Russia and called for supplies of NATO fighter aircraft.

 

[kebabking]

The Americans did both the right thing and the wrong thing. They went in too light and without the cultural knowledge they'd had and lost. They made all the noises about changing Afghanistan and tried to impose their own design on the country. If you look at the book taliban narratives you'll see they made major mistakes in their info ops. The variation in coin approaches across the country, as in Iraq, undermined the strategic objectives

I'd recommend An Intimate War by Dr Mike Martin.

Illuminating...

 

[gosub]

..

Does that mean you think the US did the right thing, or did the wrong thing?

Sorry, it's just really hard to keep up with your independent thinking/Crack habit....

Well I just hope Sunak doesn't pop up claiming Russia has WMD's

 

[The39thStep]

No?

'Stray Syrian anti-aircraft missile' hits northern Cyprus

Officials say the missile was apparently launched during suspected Israeli air strikes on Syria.

www.bbc.com

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Well the Ukrainians immediately blamed Russia and called for supplies of NATO fighter aircraft.

I mean you don't get if you don't ask.

 

[TopCat]

I mean you don't get if you don't ask.

They demand they don’t ask. Constantly trying to drag everyone into their war.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Amazingly a lot of things being fired in the air to stop nearly a hundred missiles hitting power and water facilities means accidents happen.

If only Putin could somehow stop firing missiles at population centres. Alas it can’t be helped because Ukraine keeps telling him to fuck off.

 

[The39thStep]

Tbh this unfortunate missile strike highlights how eager some posters are to jump to conclusions based on nothing more than their own preconceptions and without a shred of evidence.

Anarchists for A5

 

[Pickman's model]

Anarchists for A5

Best way to get a5 is to use a guillotine

 

[Karl Masks]

Wrong thread