ska invita
back on the other side
I hadn't noticed talk of "fatigue" before - thats a big word from the diplomatic dictionary.
At this point clearly zero breakthrough of course, but no one is talking about breakthrough.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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At this point clearly zero breakthrough of course, but no one is talking about breakthrough.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
There must be some level of diplomacy going on behind the scenes. Last week there was an exchange of prisoners, not long after the 29th October release of POWs.
Yossarian
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"Ukraine fatigue' isn't that new a term - Johnson was talking about it in June:
Ukraine round-up: UK PM warns of 'Ukraine fatigue' as Zelensky visits front-line cities
The UK's prime minister stressed the importance of allied nations standing by Ukraine long-term.
www.bbc.com
The same month, this political science professor was talking about "Ukraine fatigue" fatigue;
I’ve got ‘Ukraine fatigue’ fatigue
Please forgive me, but I’m tired of reading how tired of Ukraine the West is becoming — again. “Ukraine fatigue” is a strange kind of fatigue, since it’s been coming and going every few years since…
thehill.com
I think the fact that this single Washington Post story citing an anonymous source was spread so widely - and misinterpreted by al-Jazeera, probably among others - shows how in the dark we are about any possible diplomatic effotts to end this war.
ska invita
back on the other side
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I take your point, you'd probably need some third party intervention with a large python tbh. Pythons rarely consider humans prey and don't understand human language, the person would be dead before any attempt to swallow and finally, the size of most humans' shoulders would prevent them from being swallowed, . Might have happened in the 1930s though as most current analogies about Russia are linked with that decade.
Yossarian
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Yes, if you're going to get technical about the analogy, by the time you're being swallowed it is far too late - if you are in the grip of a python or other constrictor what you need to do is grab it just above the base of the tail and slowly but firmly unwrap it, unfortunately it is probably far too late for Ukraine to attempt this move.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Worth reading, from Justin Brink at RUSI.
t.co
The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence
Further Western support is needed to ensure that Kyiv can counter Moscow's updated approach to the air war in Ukraine.
t.co
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
Especially as the Maga wing of the party have explicity stated 'not another penny' Marjorie Taylor Greene: GOP won’t give Ukraine ‘another penny’
Not really a surprise considering the links between Maga and Putin
gosub
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Ukraine war: Questions over France's weapons supply to Kyiv
Paris's relative absence in its supply of weapons to Ukraine leaves eastern European countries wary.
www.bbc.com
A reticulated python ate a woman in Indonesia a few weeks ago. It doesn't happen frequently but it's far from unheard of. (Sorry, not the point I know but my inner pedant just couldn't leave it be
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Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
The imminent midterms must be a source of significant concern for the Ukrainians. If the Republicans do take control of the US congress, that spineless fuckstick Kevin McCarthy will immediately fold to the demands of Taylor-Greene and the rest of the psycho wing of the GOP...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think the imminent midterms are of significant concern to pretty much everyone
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
Also true.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Obviously no negotiation skillsA reticulated python ate a woman in Indonesia a few weeks ago. It doesn't happen frequently but it's far from unheard of. (Sorry, not the point I know but my inner pedant just couldn't leave it be
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Would there be a higher chance of breakthrough in any negotiations if we used a poisonous snake and an 8year old child analogy ?
news.stv.tv
Venomous snake dies after being bitten by eight-year-old boy
The cobra died after being bitten by a young boy in Chhattisgarh, India last Monday.
Yossarian
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Would there be a higher chance of breakthrough in any negotiations if we used a poisonous snake and an 8year old child analogy ?
Venomous snake dies after being bitten by eight-year-old boy
The cobra died after being bitten by a young boy in Chhattisgarh, India last Monday.
Lucky for the kid it wasn't poisonous.
Yossarian
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In non-herpetological developments, American officials have confirmed lines of communication with the Kremlin remain open, but they haven't said anything about pushing Ukraine toward negotiations.
Speaking in New York, Mr Sullivan said it was "in the interests" of the US to maintain contact with the Kremlin. But he insisted officials were "clear-eyed about who we are dealing with".
...Mr Sullivan told a public event in New York that the Biden administration had "an obligation to pursue accountability" and pledged to work with international partners to "hold the perpetrators of grave and grotesque war crimes in Ukraine responsible for what they have done".
Speaking in New York, Mr Sullivan said it was "in the interests" of the US to maintain contact with the Kremlin. But he insisted officials were "clear-eyed about who we are dealing with".
...Mr Sullivan told a public event in New York that the Biden administration had "an obligation to pursue accountability" and pledged to work with international partners to "hold the perpetrators of grave and grotesque war crimes in Ukraine responsible for what they have done".
Ukraine war: US confirms 'communications' with Kremlin
Jake Sullivan reportedly held talks with Kremlin aides to guard against nuclear escalation in Ukraine.
www.bbc.com
gosub
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sets terms for negotiations with Russia - UPI.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday called for Moscow to compensate his country for losses during Russia's invasion as part of peace talk conditions.
www.upi.com
Didn't mention Rostov once
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
OK, I'll bite: what's Rostov got to do with anything?Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky sets terms for negotiations with Russia - UPI.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday called for Moscow to compensate his country for losses during Russia's invasion as part of peace talk conditions.
Didn't mention Rostov once
strung out
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Gosub couldn't give a coherent answer when I asked them on Monday why they'd brought up Rostov, so I wouldn't hold out much hope now.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I'm assuming it's some kind of counter-example - "we're banging on about what Russia has done to Ukraine, but what about Rostov?". So, in the absence of any attempt to support the point, maybe it's just whataboutery.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It was because someone I think challenged Liz Truss as to whether Ukraine should liberate Rostov Oblast, which she replied yes to, even though it’s part of Russia proper. Think it might have been a Russian official doing it to make her look stupid (not the hardest job tbh). Something like that anyway, so I assume that’s the joke reference in the post above that’s gone over people’s heads.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There’s fairly strong bipartisan support for Ukraine, only a few trumpist headcases are shilling for Putin, so I think they’ll be OK. The pricks do get a lot of media coverage simply because it’s good clickbait for the ‘fake news media’.
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