existentialist
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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I suspect that's what Russia (thinks it) has set up. Lots of defensive positions in the city, booby traps (which you don't want civilians activating), Stalingrad-style last ditch defence nonsense.
If Ukraine can encircle the city, they can pretty much starve the defenders out. I don't suppose it was exactly overflowing with goodies after 8 months of Russian occupation
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Certainly, in the past, they've been targeting the assembly area on the end of the bridge, not so much the bridge itself. Which makes sense.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the thing with stalingrad was the russians were able to resupply across the volga. whether that can be achieved here remains to be seenI suspect that's what Russia (thinks it) has set up. Lots of defensive positions in the city, booby traps (which you don't want civilians activating), Stalingrad-style last ditch defence nonsense.
If Ukraine can encircle the city, they can pretty much starve the defenders out. I don't suppose it was exactly overflowing with goodies after 8 months of Russian occupation
maomao
普費斯
The Russians are the Germans this time.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
topographically it's very similar to the 1942 battle on the volga, with the russians having to resupply across a wide river. politically, yeh. but militarily i think the forces attacking from the west are not going to find themselves kettled as von paulus' sixth army was.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
This chap has done a bit of desktop research on its origins and first sightings
Lurdan
old wave
Making the point that 'tankies' were one faction in the old CP. My own experience of former CP members was that it was a rather broader church than any of the smaller far left groupings, ranging from 'tankies' at one extreme, to what I think of as "tough love" liberals at another. The use of the term by some anarchists to describe all members of the CP is a bit silly.
strung out
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All those convicts recruited from Russian prisons to fight for Wagner a couple of months back? Over 500 dead already - just being fed into the meat grinder in the east for no Russian gains whatsoever.
theins.ru
Russia's losses must be just huge.
Over 500 convicts recruited by Prigozhin killed in Ukraine in two months, their names and photographs published by The Insider
The Ukrainian Center for Researching and Combating Hybrid Threats has discovered and verified more than two hundred letters signed by Andrei Troshev (one of the leaders of the Wagner PMC) with condolences to the families of Prigozhin mercenaries recruited in Russian penal colonies. As of...
theins.ru
Russia's losses must be just huge.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
There's also reports of convict recruits being petty brutally treated by Wagner to keep them in line. The original reports come from a Russian based anti-torture NGO - https://gulagu.net/ who I know nothing about, so ain't too sure about the quality of the source, but it doesn't seem inconceivable given Wagners past behaviour.All those convicts recruited from Russian prisons to fight for Wagner a couple of months back? Over 500 dead already - just being fed into the meat grinder in the east for no Russian gains whatsoever.
Over 500 convicts recruited by Prigozhin killed in Ukraine in two months, their names and photographs published by The Insider
The Ukrainian Center for Researching and Combating Hybrid Threats has discovered and verified more than two hundred letters signed by Andrei Troshev (one of the leaders of the Wagner PMC) with condolences to the families of Prigozhin mercenaries recruited in Russian penal colonies. As of...
Russia's losses must be just huge.
Convict recruits are tortured and executed in Wagner militia, Russian NGO claims
Ruthless Russian mercenary militia is brutalising recruits from prisons while using them on the frontline against Ukrainian forces, according to Russian researchers
inews.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I’ve got a neighbour whose family are Ukrainian , she was born here in Portugal . They showed me a video of Ukrainian graves , hundreds of them all with flowers and flags .We are probably all accustomed now to seeing videos of rockets hitting troops , tanks, residential areas but the videos and photos of the graveyards are in someways more horrifying .All those convicts recruited from Russian prisons to fight for Wagner a couple of months back? Over 500 dead already - just being fed into the meat grinder in the east for no Russian gains whatsoever.
Over 500 convicts recruited by Prigozhin killed in Ukraine in two months, their names and photographs published by The Insider
The Ukrainian Center for Researching and Combating Hybrid Threats has discovered and verified more than two hundred letters signed by Andrei Troshev (one of the leaders of the Wagner PMC) with condolences to the families of Prigozhin mercenaries recruited in Russian penal colonies. As of...
Russia's losses must be just huge.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Language changes over time though, and particularly after the Eurocommunism split the crusty end of the party was the one left in charge. It's not particularly strange that a catchy sobriquet originally aimed at one wing was later expanded (not just by anarchists, fyi) to include the broader set.
And as someone who has met quite a lot of the CPB's leading lights over the years, you might be surprised how representative "tankie" actually is. Their formal repudiation of Stalinism may be official policy, but it's not felt in the heart. As for the YCL, they absolutely revel in it.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Let’s not confuse the CPB with the CPGB though . The former is a small rump the latter was at one time ( whether people like it or not) , the biggest and most influential revolutionary organisation in the U.K. Lurdan was addressing the latter .
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I'm not. I'm disputing the "is a bit silly" line by pointing out that modern use is not necessarily beholden to what was technically accurate 50 years ago, and even using its original meaning it's probably not as far as all that off being technically accurate (albeit accidentally), given what the CPB is now.
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gosub
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Pentagon Bankrolls Soviet-Era Tanks for Ukraine's War Against the Russians
The Pentagon is buying T-72B tanks to give to Ukraine as part of a new $400 million weapons package.
On the plus side, training is easier. And if a tank with tea making facilities had been chosen...I suggest the arguments about hobnobs and biscuit tins would have gone on for bloody ever! Up there with cheese and beans, pirates vs ninjas and plane takes off
TopCat
Putin fanboy
US reportedly urging Ukraine to negotiate with Russia
US privately asks Kyiv to drop its refusal to engage in peace talks unless Putin is removed, Washington Post reports.
Dreadful. What a waste of life.All those convicts recruited from Russian prisons to fight for Wagner a couple of months back? Over 500 dead already - just being fed into the meat grinder in the east for no Russian gains whatsoever.
Over 500 convicts recruited by Prigozhin killed in Ukraine in two months, their names and photographs published by The Insider
The Ukrainian Center for Researching and Combating Hybrid Threats has discovered and verified more than two hundred letters signed by Andrei Troshev (one of the leaders of the Wagner PMC) with condolences to the families of Prigozhin mercenaries recruited in Russian penal colonies. As of...
Russia's losses must be just huge.
Yossarian
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Al Jazeera's "US reportedly urging Ukraine to negotiate with Russia" story is a two-line summary of a Washington Post story that quotes anonymous sources as saying the US isn't urging Ukraine to negotiate with Russia, but it wants Ukraine's leaders to "drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power."
The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
...While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.
The request by American officials is not aimed at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, these people said. Rather, they called it a calculated attempt to ensure the government in Kyiv maintains the support of other nations facing constituencies wary of fueling a war for many years to come.
...While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Lets assume it's true. It's the first sane action by the US in some time.
not-bono-ever
meh
Another senior commander dismissed. Putin really has evicerated the new improved red army to render them no threat to his control regimeCrass comparison maybe but same situation in Germany during the 30s
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Strange, the russians have form for purging army officers in the 30s
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There wouldn't be an argument about biscuit tins. The hobnobs would simply be put in a biscuit tin. Can you imagine the inside of a tank with fucking hobnob wrappers all over the place? Obviously not or you wouldn't post as you do
Pentagon Bankrolls Soviet-Era Tanks for Ukraine's War Against the Russians
The Pentagon is buying T-72B tanks to give to Ukraine as part of a new $400 million weapons package.news.yahoo.com
On the plus side, training is easier. And if a tank with tea making facilities had been chosen...I suggest the arguments about hobnobs and biscuit tins would have gone on for bloody ever! Up there with cheese and beans, pirates vs ninjas and plane takes off
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not-bono-ever
meh
Everyone was purged in the 30s tbf
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
They do say that it was almost as bad as Labour under Stalmen.
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Indeed, whatever you feel about the Politics, politics and personalities of CPGN (and god knows I’ve got personal issues with all three) they were the only real* mass revolutionary movement this country has had since the General Strike.
* And no, however many PDFs and leaflets get put out 15 activists and a mailing list of 1200 isn’t a mass movement… looking at no one in particular….
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Is there a case for a limit on crass comparisons with the 1930s that a site should have or do you think that the market will determine the balance ?
ska invita
back on the other side
youre right about that framing of the washington post article but it does appear the signals from washington are stronger than that
US says Zelenskiy risks allies’ ‘Ukraine fatigue’ if he rejects Russia talks – report
Ukraine’s position with allies is wearing thin as fears grow over economic effect of protracted war, officials tell newspaper
Yossarian
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youre right about that framing of the washington post article but it does appear the signals from washington are stronger than that
US says Zelenskiy risks allies’ ‘Ukraine fatigue’ if he rejects Russia talks – report
Ukraine’s position with allies is wearing thin as fears grow over economic effect of protracted war, officials tell newspaperwww.theguardian.com
Isn't that Guardian article just another take on the anonymously sourced Washington Post story?
According to the Post's sources, the gist of the US request seems to be for Ukraine to reassure wavering allies by saying that talks with the Putin regime haven't been completely ruled out. Which is something I guess Ukraine could do, though of course the conditions that would be required for these talks don't currently exist and probably never will exist while Putin is in charge. Russia very clearly cannot be trusted to abide by the terms of any agreement, and it will treat any agreed-upon pause in fighting as an opportunity to reinforce ahead of a new offensive.
The chances of any genuine breakthroughs in Ukrainian negotiations with the Putin regime at this point are probably about the same as as those of a person attempting to bargain with a python that's trying to swallow them.
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