Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[ska invita]

Over 90K 'Irrecoverable Losses' Suffered by Russian Soldiers in Ukraine: iStories - The Moscow Times

Over 90,000 Russian soldiers have died, cannot be accounted for, or have suffered such serious injuries that they are unable to return to service, independent Russian media project iStories reported on Wednesday, citing sources close to the Kremlin.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Fuck a duck.

Tragedy.
We dont know the Ukrainian death count and doubt we will any time soon

 

[ska invita]

New Adam Curtis documentary on one of those significant changes

‘They are stealing Russia’: Adam Curtis on how hyper-capitalism wrecked a nation – and why Liz Truss must take heed

In the 1990s, Russia embraced an extreme economics that led to chaos and corruption. Now, writes the maker of explosive new series TraumaZone, Liz Truss is taking Britain down the same toxic path

www.theguardian.com

i remember this period on TV - the BBC particularly... For a little while there was regular reporting of the collapse of the rubel, and then suddenly radio silence...It was the first time I was aware of how the news just moves on. i kept thinking just at the point that the shit really hit the fan they stopped reporting....
sounds a really interesting watch

 

[The39thStep]

Tragedy.
We dont know the Ukrainian death count and doubt we will any time soon

Is there no independent Ukraine media who have made an estimate?

 

[maomao]

The Russians are claiming over 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed. You would think they would claim more than reality but possibly afraid they wouldn't be believed if it was too many more than the 5,000 or so Russian dead they've admitted to.

There's a bunch of different numbers and sources too:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The39thStep]

The Russians are claiming over 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed. You would think they would claim more than reality but possibly afraid they wouldn't be believed if it was too many more than the 5,000 or so Russian dead they've admitted to.

There's a bunch of different numbers and sources too:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Don’t think there is too much in depth accounting of losses by either side tbh . Any old figures will be quoted by social media enthusiasts.
The claim by the ‘independent Russian source ‘ is based on an ex member of the armed forces and a current member and magically is the same number as estimated by observers in the west .

 

[frogwoman]

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Fuck relying on Germany

 

[bendeus]

Fuck relying on Germany

When I lived in Mongolia I inherited a Canadian Army parka, which I used for the duration of the time I was there. It was a truly mind blowing piece of apparel in terms of the avoidance of freezing to death. The Ukrainians have lucked right out.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

More details emerge from Musk‘s antics

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html

 

[David Clapson]

Is there an accurate analysis of the air-defence issue? I thought they were supposed to have lots of NASAMS by now.

 

[emanymton]

The Russians are claiming over 60,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed. You would think they would claim more than reality but possibly afraid they wouldn't be believed if it was too many more than the 5,000 or so Russian dead they've admitted to.

There's a bunch of different numbers and sources too:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russia claims to have destroyed more military hardware than Ukraine has (in some areas at least) so I don't think believability is high on their agenda.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Russia claims to have destroyed more military hardware than Ukraine has (in some areas at least) so I don't think believability is high on their agenda.

'Destroyed' wouldn't include the thousands of bits of Russian kit the Ukrainians have just kept.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sky is reporting that the Russian appointed governor of Kherson has told people to evacuate to Russia, because of the daily shelling, however a Ukrainian MP claims it's actually because the Russians know that Ukraine is about to liberate the city & region.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Sky is reporting that the Russian appointed governor of Kherson has told people to evacuate to Russia, because of the daily shelling, however a Ukrainian MP claims it's actually because the Russians know that Ukraine is about to liberate the city & region.

Is this evacuation or forced deportation?

 

[existentialist]

Is this evacuation or forced deportation?

I think the distinction is a very blurry one where Russia is concerned.

 

[ska invita]

Sky is reporting that the Russian appointed governor of Kherson has told people to evacuate to Russia, because of the daily shelling, however a Ukrainian MP claims it's actually because the Russians know that Ukraine is about to liberate the city & region.

i can well imagine the Dnipro river becoming the defacto border between the annexed land in Kherson region and sovereign ukraine






*that would mean Russia abandoning the claim to the town of Kherson on the north bank but based on precedent and this warning they'll probably reduce it to rubble anyway

 

[og ogilby]

Sky is reporting that the Russian appointed governor of Kherson has told people to evacuate to Russia

Hang on, according to the Russians, Kherson is Russia.

 

[StoneRoad]

i can well imagine the Dnipro river becoming the defacto border between the annexed land in Kherson region and sovereign ukraine

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*that would mean Russia abandoning the claim to the town of Kherson on the north bank but based on precedent and this warning they'll probably reduce it to rubble anyway

Wot, like the russian defence line along the Oskil river ? [ie Kharkiv / Luhansk oblast border area] - that lasted a long time (not).

 

[The39thStep]

More details emerge from Musk‘s antics

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/13/politics/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-ukraine/index.html

That's quite a bill that needs picking up

 

[nogojones]

That's quite a bill that needs picking up

If you're gonna have to pay for it you may as well just nationalise it. Critical infrastructure and all that, but mostly just to wind the cunt up. Space X as well.

No compo. Or pay him in dogecoin or some other shite.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you're gonna have to pay for it you may as well just nationalise it. Critical infrastructure and all that, but mostly just to wind the cunt up. Space X as well.

No compo. Or pay him in dogecoin or some other shite.

dodgecoin. not the venetian cryptocurrency.

 

[The39thStep]

If you're gonna have to pay for it you may as well just nationalise it. Critical infrastructure and all that, but mostly just to wind the cunt up. Space X as well.

No compo. Or pay him in dogecoin or some other shite.

Absolutely I'd nationalise the lot but I'm not sure that the Ukrainian government would .

 

[DaveCinzano]

If you're gonna have to pay for it you may as well just nationalise it. Critical infrastructure and all that, but mostly just to wind the cunt up. Space X as well.

No compo. Or pay him in dogecoin or some other shite.

Exclusive NFT of his receipt for expropriation

 

[Yossarian]

Absolutely I'd nationalise the lot but I'm not sure that the Ukrainian government would .

Not sure how the Ukranian government would be able to nationalise an American's company's satellite network, unless the Ukrainian space program is more advanced than I thought.

 

[Yossarian]

Maybe Russia will claim 97% of the satellites voted to join Rostelecom.

 

[strung out]

The Russians reckon they'll have the trains running again by 8pm:

Three killed as huge explosion causes key Crimea-Russia road bridge to collapse – as it happened

Blast early on Saturday causes road bridge to collapse and engulfs rail bridge in flames

www.theguardian.com

Bridge repairs ordered to be completed by July 2023. Looks like 8pm was optimistic.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Bridge repairs ordered to be completed by July 2023. Looks like 8pm was optimistic.

I really hope the war is over by then, but it probably won't be.

If it's not I hope it gets hit again in June 2023.

 

[The39thStep]

What are they getting for

Not sure how the Ukranian government would be able to nationalise an American's company's satellite network, unless the Ukrainian space program is more advanced than I thought.

no westplaining please

 

[Chz]

When I lived in Mongolia I inherited a Canadian Army parka, which I used for the duration of the time I was there. It was a truly mind blowing piece of apparel in terms of the avoidance of freezing to death. The Ukrainians have lucked right out.

They should be getting the full kit, which includes (I kid you not) a flannel shirt - the Canadian National Uniform - and a jumper.

 

[WhyLikeThis]