Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Rob Ray]

Turnouts in the 70-80% range with that much lean towards one side are gonna have a lot of Ivan Ivanovs listed, I don't think they'll have cared all that much about what the citizenry was actually doing.

 

[xenon]

In fact it sounds like stirring bollocks.

 

[The39thStep]

Got a source for that? Sounds dubious.

rekil

Actually, the article is saying 12 years but I am sure I read somewhere it was 5 years

Vice Prime Minister Vereshchuk: Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

babel.ua

 

[maomao]

rekil

Actually, the article is saying 12 years but I am sure I read somewhere it was 5 years

Vice Prime Minister Vereshchuk: Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

babel.ua

That depends on participation equalling voting.

And I think some of you need to look up girlboss.

 

[Cid]

rekil

Actually, the article is saying 12 years but I am sure I read somewhere it was 5 years

Vice Prime Minister Vereshchuk: Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

Participation in pseudo-referendums is punishable by imprisonment for up to 12 years

babel.ua

It's from 4th September, and the only major agency I can see reporting it is Tass.

The more recent stuff is on various news sites, and is indeed 5 years, but not for voters. e.g Guardian quoting Podolyak

Ukraine’s authorities have said citizens helping to organise Russia’s so-called “referendums”, which concluded on Tuesday in the occupied territories, will face up to five years in prison for their role in orchestrating them.

“We have lists of names of people who have been involved in some way,” a presidential adviser, Mykhailo Podolyak, said in an interview with the Swiss newspaper Blick, adding that Ukrainians who were forced to vote would not be punished.

Ukrainians involved in ‘referendums’ face prison terms, says Kyiv

Official outlines punishments for those found guilty of helping Russia but says those forced to vote will not be punished

www.theguardian.com

 

[Crispy]

Turnouts in the 70-80% range with that much lean towards one side are gonna have a lot of Ivan Ivanovs listed, I don't think they'll have cared all that much about what the citizenry was actually doing.

No need for that even, just splash a load of empty ballots on the table and shuffle them round a bit

 

[A380]

No need for that even, just splash a load of empty ballots on the table and shuffle them round a bit

Fuck sake, they can't even rig a vote properly.

 

[tim]

Sadly the term "fuckspud" seems to have fallen out of the Urban75 lexicon of abuse.

 

[tim]

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[Pickman's model]

The term "fuckspud" seems to have fallen out of the Urban75 lexicon

It jumped the shark

 

[Idris2002]

What do we think about the Nordstream pipeline "incident" then?

Doesn't seem to be accidental, and Russia doesn't seem to have the chops to do something on this level. So who did it?

 

[Pickman's model]

What do we think about the Nordstream pipeline "incident" then?

Doesn't seem to be accidental, and Russia doesn't seem to have the chops to do something on this level. So who did it?

Why not join the debate on the nordstream thread?

 

[Supine]

What do we think about the Nordstream pipeline "incident" then?

Doesn't seem to be accidental, and Russia doesn't seem to have the chops to do something on this level. So who did it?

It’s being discussed here Russia to stop gas supplies to Europe (1/4/22)

 

[LDC]

Doesn't seem to be accidental, and Russia doesn't seem to have the chops to do something on this level. So who did it?

Not accidental at all. But why do you think that? Russia most likely candidate by far and has the capacity and has done much worse. But yes, other thread.

 

[Idris2002]

Why not join the debate on the nordstream thread?

I didn't know there was one!

 

[Yossarian]

It should all be over soon, esteemed American statesman Donald Trump has offered to lead peace talks.

 

[JimW]

Didn't realise he was admitting he's not president now.

 

[agricola]

It should all be over soon, esteemed American statesman Donald Trump has offered to lead peace talks.

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something something broken clock something a day

 

[cesare]

It should all be over soon, esteemed American statesman Donald Trump has offered to lead peace talks.

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I had a sense of Tony Blair's Middle East peace envoy, reading that.

 

[Yossarian]

something something broken clock something a day

Donald Trump's clock:

 

[moochedit]

It should all be over soon, esteemed American statesman Donald Trump has offered to lead peace talks.

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Is he unbanned on twitter then?

 

[ska invita]

Is he unbanned on twitter then?

must be fake but funny still

 

[Rob Ray]

Is he unbanned on twitter then?

Red tick so it's his Truth Social platform. If you want a rabbit hole of "oh you sad bastard" to go down: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/

 

[keybored]

It should all be over soon, esteemed American statesman Donald Trump has offered to lead peace talks.

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Kovfefe Annan.

 

[Yossarian]

The NYT has published translations of intercepted calls home from Russian troops in Bucha in March.

"Dear, I really want to go home. I'm so fucking tired of being afraid of everything.They brought us to some fucking shithole. What are we fucking waiting for? To be fucking killed?"

"Mom, we haven’t seen a single fascist here … The war is based on a false pretence. No one needed it. We got here and people were living normal lives. Very well, like in Russia. And now they have to live in basements.”

"There is a forest where the division headquarters is. I walked into it and saw a sea of corpses in civilian clothing. A sea. I've never seen so many corpses in my fucking life. It's completely fucked. You can't see where they end."

‘Putin Is a Fool’: Intercepted Calls Reveal Russian Army in Disarray (Published 2022)

In phone calls to friends and relatives at home, Russian soldiers gave damning insider accounts of battlefield failures and civilian executions, excoriating their leaders just weeks into the campaign to take Kyiv.

www.nytimes.com

 

[editor]

The NYT has published translations of intercepted calls home from Russian troops in Bucha in March.

"Dear, I really want to go home. I'm so fucking tired of being afraid of everything.They brought us to some fucking shithole. What are we fucking waiting for? To be fucking killed?"

"Mom, we haven’t seen a single fascist here … The war is based on a false pretence. No one needed it. We got here and people were living normal lives. Very well, like in Russia. And now they have to live in basements.”

"There is a forest where the division headquarters is. I walked into it and saw a sea of corpses in civilian clothing. A sea. I've never seen so many corpses in my fucking life. It's completely fucked. You can't see where they end."

‘Putin Is a Fool’: Intercepted Calls Reveal Russian Army in Disarray (Published 2022)

In phone calls to friends and relatives at home, Russian soldiers gave damning insider accounts of battlefield failures and civilian executions, excoriating their leaders just weeks into the campaign to take Kyiv.

www.nytimes.com

Skip the paywall here

‘Putin Is a Fool’: Intercepted Calls Reveal Russian Army in Disarray …

archived 29 Sep 2022 12:21:21 UTC

archive.ph

 

[cupid_stunt]

Skip the paywall here

‘Putin Is a Fool’: Intercepted Calls Reveal Russian Army in Disarray …

archived 29 Sep 2022 12:21:21 UTC

archive.ph

I was just going to post that link, what a depressing read.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Looks like Ukraine are about to cut off and over run the Russians in lyman.

 

[Dystopiary]

Russian forces launched a missile attack on Dnipro last night. Three people reported killed, and five injured (as of 12.20PM ). This f**king war.

“They targeted residential areas. At the moment, we know od about three dead, among them one child. Five more are injured, including a 12-year-old girl. The rescuers took her out of the broken house, where she was sleeping when a Russian rocket flew in…”

Several private houses were destroyed. Rescuers continue to scout the rubble, looking for people. There is a possibility that there may still be children there. More than 60 private houses and several high-rise buildings were damaged in the city. Also, markets, buses, cars, and power lines were destroyed.

On Sept. 28, explosions were also heard in other parts of the Dnipro Oblast. Air defense forces shot down three enemy missiles over the region. Another one, unfortunately, hit Kryvyi Rih.

Russians Launch Missile Strikes on Dnipro’s Residential Areas, Child Killed - Kyiv Post - Ukraine's Global Voice

 

[bcuster]

Skip the paywall here

‘Putin Is a Fool’: Intercepted Calls Reveal Russian Army in Disarray …

archived 29 Sep 2022 12:21:21 UTC

archive.ph

utter chaos; i've never read anything dealing w/any military operation that is this frightening... no way this can continue. something BAD is going to happen...