Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[LDC]

Just started listening so not heard it but here's an interview with a trans woman fighting in Ukraine

Episode 27: Sarah Ashton on the Situation in Kharkiv and Being "Trans at the Front". Episode: Episode 27: Sarah Ashton on the Situation in Kharkiv and Being "Trans at the Front" Podcast Republic . Media: https://anchor.fm/s/3ca9dcec/podcast/play/55655634/https://d3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net/staging/2022-7-2/279163144-44100-2-ee3be7a870067.m4a . -- Sent from Podcast Republic.

Thanks frogwoman! That's a very good listen. She definitely raises some things worthy of further discussion, and not convinced by all her positions or use of language, but very interesting.

 

[frogwoman]

Thanks frogwoman! That's a very good listen. She definitely raises some things worthy of further discussion, and not convinced by all her positions or use of language, but very interesting.

I haven't listened to more than the first 5 minutes of her interview tbh but very interesting. I know what you mean.

 

[strung out]

I’ve booked a couple of days in a hotel near the beach in Odessa in May.

How was your holiday by the way bimble?

 

[frogwoman]

I haven't listened to more than the first 5 minutes of her interview tbh but very interesting. I know what you mean.

LDC don't think I really agree with the 'yes all russians' stuff tbh. I argued against it with Israel, it might be true but I don't think its really helpful at all. The whole interview is interesting tho

 

[LDC]

LDC don't think I really agree with the 'yes all russians' stuff tbh. I argued against it with Israel, it might be true but I don't think its really helpful at all. The whole interview is interesting tho

Yeah, same. All the 'orcs' etc. stuff is a bit grim, although can see why it happens with people there in the middle of it. There are some complex discussions about support for the war and anti-Ukrainian sentiments in the Russian population though as well, etc.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah, same. All the 'orcs' etc. stuff is a bit grim, although can see why it happens with people there in the middle of it. There are some complex discussions about support for the war and anti-Ukrainian sentiments in the Russian population though as well, etc.

Not an excuse but yeah the longer the war goes on the more you're going to hear sentiments like that sadly

 

[A380]

Not an excuse but yeah the longer the war goes on the more you're going to hear sentiments like that sadly

It is probably quite hard to shoot people, blow them into small pieces or set fire to them, even if they have invaded your country and are killing your friends, family and neighbours, unless you dehumanise them a little. Another reason whilst war is not glorious however welll justified.

 

[bcuster]

 

[teqniq]

Apologies if already posted but this isn't looking too good for the Russians:

Showdown looms in Mykolaiv as Putin scrambles to save face

 

[manji]

She was Ukrainian but defected because of the resurgence of Azov and Fascism. The actual quote was she enjoyed killing fascists.
To show how bitter the Ukros directed a typically inaccurate artillery attack at the building where the memorial service was held.
I really struggle how members post quotes from the Daily Fail without question.

 

[tim]

Apologies if already posted but this isn't looking too good for the Russians:

Showdown looms in Mykolaiv as Putin scrambles to save face

I read that as Snowdon when I first saw it.

If Putin will not come to the mountain, than the Mountain will come to Putin.

 

[Petcha]

This article from inside Kherson is horrific. Mobile crematoriums to not just burn Ukrainians but also their own troops to hide their losses.

War reporter exposes unimaginable evil in Kherson

DAVID PATRIKARAKOS: A cloud of thick smoke hangs over the occupied city of Kherson in Ukraine. Its very stench is evidence of Russian war crimes, on a scale almost too sickening to contemplate.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[editor]

She was Ukrainian but defected because of the resurgence of Azov and Fascism. The actual quote was she enjoyed killing fascists.
To show how bitter the Ukros directed a typically inaccurate artillery attack at the building where the memorial service was held.
I really struggle how members post quotes from the Daily Fail without question.

Anyone who actively enjoys killing human beings - no matter how repulsive their ideology - really is something of a concern.

 

[TopCat]

This article from inside Kherson is horrific. Mobile crematoriums to not just burn Ukrainians but also their own troops to hide their losses.

War reporter exposes unimaginable evil in Kherson

DAVID PATRIKARAKOS: A cloud of thick smoke hangs over the occupied city of Kherson in Ukraine. Its very stench is evidence of Russian war crimes, on a scale almost too sickening to contemplate.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Germans used to just leave thousands of Russians to rot, dead in the street.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Germans used to just leave thousands of Russians to rot, dead in the street.

And, what does that have to do with the price of bread?

 

[cupid_stunt]

The Russians are better than the Nazis, because at least they clean up a bit by burning the dead.

WTF?

 

[Ax^]

The Germans used to just leave thousands of Russians to rot, dead in the street.

Russian accounted for 76 percent of the military casualties suffered by the Germans in world war 2

guess a lot more dead Germans where left to rot than russians

 

[Kaka Tim]

She was Ukrainian but defected because of the resurgence of Azov and Fascism. The actual quote was she enjoyed killing fascists.
To show how bitter the Ukros directed a typically inaccurate artillery attack at the building where the memorial service was held.
I really struggle how members post quotes from the Daily Fail without question.

she enjoys killing Ukrainian "fascists" - but is cool with the Russian ones. fuck her. and fuck anyone defending her tbh.

 

[Artaxerxes]

The Germans used to just leave thousands of Russians to rot, dead in the street.

Have the Germans invaded Russia again while I wasn’t looking?

 

[Ax^]

what happens to Ukraine, well it get fucked


what proper fucked, yes Tommy

before zee Germans get here

 

[Yossarian]

But Azov etc.

Footage appears to show fresh atrocity against Ukrainian PoW

Russians accused of barbaric behaviour apparently seen in videos and photos from captured city of Popasna

www.theguardian.com

 

[SpookyFrank]

But Azov etc.

Footage appears to show fresh atrocity against Ukrainian PoW

Russians accused of barbaric behaviour apparently seen in videos and photos from captured city of Popasna

www.theguardian.com

NATO imperialism at it again.

 

[TopCat]

The reports of Russian shelling of the nuclear plant do not seem to make sense.
The Russians are in control of the plant and surrounding areas. They have moved troops and equipment there.
Then shelled the plant? Really?

Zaporizhzhia: Russian rockets damaged part of nuclear plant, Ukraine says

Ukraine says Russian rockets hit part of a giant nuclear plant - but Russia blames Ukraine for it.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[IC3D]

More concerned that Europe's largest nuclear plant is on the frontline of a warzone.
Ukr refusing to allow access to safety inspections as it gives Russia legitimatecy

Ukraine slams planned IAEA mission to Russian-occupied nuclear plant

Ukraine's state nuclear company Energoatom on Tuesday criticised an IAEA plan to send a delegation to a Russian-occupied nuclear plant in southern Ukraine, saying it "did not invite" such a visit.

www.reuters.com

Its not just the plant that is vulnerable to incoming fire, it sits on a lake supported by crumbling Soviet era hydroelectric dams which provides water for cooling the reactors. Either side could destroy these.

 

[kabbes]

More concerned that Europe's largest nuclear plant is on the frontline of a warzone.
Ukr refusing to allow access to safety inspections as it gives Russia legitimatecy

Ukraine slams planned IAEA mission to Russian-occupied nuclear plant

Ukraine's state nuclear company Energoatom on Tuesday criticised an IAEA plan to send a delegation to a Russian-occupied nuclear plant in southern Ukraine, saying it "did not invite" such a visit.

www.reuters.com

Its not just the plant that is vulnerable to incoming fire, it sits on a lake supported by crumbling Soviet era hydroelectric dams which provides water for cooling the reactors. Either side could destroy these.

It could all be solved if Russia would just fuck off.

 

[Yossarian]

Reporting from the middle of the Zaporizhzhia war zone is a bit thin and contradictory, but the NYT sheds a little more light on Ukraine's claims.

But Ukraine insisted Russia was to blame. During a national television call-in program on Sunday, the head of Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia regional military administration, Oleksandr Starukh, said that there was only a three-second delay between the firing and the landing of each shell — evidence, he said, that the attack had come from Russian forces nearby.

...A spokesman for Ukraine’s intelligence directorate, Andrei Yusov, said that Russia was shelling the Zaporizhzhia site to destroy infrastructure and to damage power lines that supply electricity to Ukraine’s national grid and, ultimately, to cut power in the country’s south. There was no independent confirmation of his assertion. Mr. Yusov said on Telegram that Russian forces had also laid mines at the plant’s power units.

...Ukraine has also accused Russia of setting off explosions at the plant in order to unnerve Ukraine’s European allies about nuclear safety and perhaps discourage them from arming Ukraine further.

...The Russian occupation of the plant has put its employees under great pressure, according to Energoatom, as Russian forces hunting for saboteurs have subjected them to harsh interrogations that have included torture with electrical shocks, Ukrainian officials assert. The exiled mayor of the nearby city of Enerhodar, Dmytro Orlov, has said that some workers have disappeared and that at least one was killed.

The acute stress, Ukrainian officials warn, makes it likelier that employees will commit some error that could lead to an accident.

After Rockets Strike Near Nuclear Plant, Ukraine and Russia Trade Blame

Moscow accused Ukraine of striking near spent-fuel storage at the Zaporizhzhia power plant, while Ukrainian intelligence said it was a move by Russia to destroy infrastructure.

www.nytimes.com

 

[strung out]

The reports of Russian shelling of the nuclear plant do not seem to make sense.
The Russians are in control of the plant and surrounding areas. They have moved troops and equipment there.
Then shelled the plant? Really?

Zaporizhzhia: Russian rockets damaged part of nuclear plant, Ukraine says

Ukraine says Russian rockets hit part of a giant nuclear plant - but Russia blames Ukraine for it.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not like Russia to shell territory they already occupy for reasons of propaganda, is it

 

[The39thStep]

Telegraph giving Amnesty both barrels

Amnesty is now utterly morally bankrupt

Its anti-Western obsession has driven it into the gutter

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

Not like Russia to shell territory they already occupy for reasons of propaganda, is it

it's amazing how quickly people can go from disbelieving all claims of false flag ops to believing all claims of false flag ops. as long as the latter involve russia.

 

[strung out]

it's amazing how quickly people can go from disbelieving all claims of false flag ops to believing all claims of false flag ops. as long as the latter involve russia.

Well we've literally got evidence from the last fortnight of them murdering 50 captured Ukrainian soldiers on their own territory and blaming it on Ukraine.