This is a ukr NGO report written in March on the general environmental threat to the area discussed. There is a lot of power infrastructure to fight over in this part of Ukraine and a lot that could go wrong.
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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
It wasn’t a well known prison site, they moved some inmates to an industrial building outside the boundary of the prison, and it was that which was attacked. Not entirely unlikely that it would become a target as spy footage would show military activity at an industrial unit, exactly the sort of thing that gets picked off.
The HIMARS bit is obvious bollocks though as it was in range of conventional artillery, no need for the good stuff (and footage of the damage does not suggest a missile strike). Odds are still that it was a Russian attack, but not the only possibility.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
The retired nuclear researcher I linked to up-thread, re the Zhaporizhzhia nuclear power plant base, wrote about recent reports and confilicting info yesterday.
She suspects that a piece of info from Energoatom has been "garbled several times from its beginnings as a statement from a Ukrainian operator who understood what the damage was, through being okayed by Russian handlers, to bureaucrats who may not understand the technical side, to reporters, through translation from Ukrainian to English."
Russia Continues To Put The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant At Risk
She suspects that a piece of info from Energoatom has been "garbled several times from its beginnings as a statement from a Ukrainian operator who understood what the damage was, through being okayed by Russian handlers, to bureaucrats who may not understand the technical side, to reporters, through translation from Ukrainian to English."
Russia Continues To Put The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant At Risk
The Zaporizhzhia dam was destroyed in 1941by Russian Soviets to stall the fascist advance. Locals and retreating troops were the main victims as no warning was given, between 20,000 and 100,000 people died ellegedly in the following deluge. I'd never heard of it until today. The reactor now uses water from the lagoon to cool down which wasn't an issue then.
It was covered up and blamed on the fascists.
It was covered up and blamed on the fascists.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Thats a charitable interpretation given the deliberate propaganda use of these issues.
The BBC live updates page that I linked to earlier now includes the US calling for Russia to cease all military operations around the reactor. But the US message also included stuff about returning full control of the plant to Ukraine, so we cannot separate these messages from the rest of the war messaging at all.
Meanwhile Ukraines ambassador to the IAEA has been saying a lot today, but I've mostly heard about it in short snippets and want to try to listen to the whole thing before commenting.
The BBC like updates page also had this earlier:
Well I suppose it could be, but I dont think playing to those fears would necessarily work in Russias favour. After all the Ukrainian side have always been prepared to make use of the same sort of fears, and so when imagining what strategies are in play we could easily apply the same sort of logic to them. What a twisted mess this is.
gosub
~#
Ukraine war in maps: Tracking the Russian invasion
Ukrainian troops are attempting to retake the southern city of Kherson as fighting continues in the east.
www.bbc.com
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Russia is threatening to blow up the zaporizhzia Nuclear power plant
news.sky.com
Ukraine-Russia war latest: Drone footage shows devastation in Bakhmut; Russian navy 'training more dolphins and whales'
Vladimir Putin has told graduates of military academies that Russia's new generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles will soon be deployed for combat duty.
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Cid
Proper break this time
Russia is threatening to blow up the zaporizhzia Nuclear power plant
Ukraine-Russia war latest: Drone footage shows devastation in Bakhmut; Russian navy 'training more dolphins and whales'
Vladimir Putin has told graduates of military academies that Russia's new generation of intercontinental ballistic missiles will soon be deployed for combat duty.
Yes but we don't actually have confirmation of this; far as I can tell it is Ukrainian intelligence claiming that this was part of an address by the Maj-gen to his soldiers. I wish the media would get on top of its sourcing.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The US have announced, after fragments of US AGM-88 High Speed Anti-Radiation missiles (radar killers) were found in Ukraine, that they have integrated HARM's onto Ukrainian fighter aircraft.
It's actually quite difficult - the lugs on the pylons and missiles are different sizes, the aircraft and the missiles speak different languages and don't act in a way the other is familiar with.
With GMLRS - there are now US, UK and German supplied GMLRS launchers in Ukraine - and other bits, this is following the western way of taking an enemy army apart at the seams: you destroy it's command and control systems/locations, you destroy it's logistics, and then you start destroying it's deployed forces a packet at a time once there's no defensive coordination between them, and they've started running low on fuel, ammunition and food.
It's actually quite difficult - the lugs on the pylons and missiles are different sizes, the aircraft and the missiles speak different languages and don't act in a way the other is familiar with.
With GMLRS - there are now US, UK and German supplied GMLRS launchers in Ukraine - and other bits, this is following the western way of taking an enemy army apart at the seams: you destroy it's command and control systems/locations, you destroy it's logistics, and then you start destroying it's deployed forces a packet at a time once there's no defensive coordination between them, and they've started running low on fuel, ammunition and food.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
was just about to post about this.
It’s been reported that over the past three days Ukraine has destroyed 14 Russian anti-aircraft positions. Not only were they smart in figuring out how to attach the anti-radiation missiles to soviet-designed aircraft, there was some pretty decent secrecy involved in not blabbing about this development until the enemy found out about it the hard way. Sometimes I’ve wondered about the sense in politicians shouting out about what they’re supplying to Ukraine (though realise there are political motives, all kinds of signalling and to some extent demoralisation of the opponent) rather than just letting it get there and benefit from the element of surprise. In this case I think the latter approach has worked well.
I’m also wondering whether this fits into a strategy that some have speculated on lately. Ukraine has been very deliberately (seemingly unwisely) hinting at a large counterattack in the Kherson area in the south for months, and has had some success liberating villages in the area. As a result Russia has now predictably flooded the area with reinforcements, taking troops from elsewhere on the front like Donetsk and Izium. After arrival of much of these forces, Ukraine has destroyed most of the bridges connecting a large part of Kherson Oblast to supply routes etc, making it very difficult to supply these forces or for an orderly retreat to take place if necessary. It’s also an area of flat countryside with little natural cover other than trees at field boundaries. And now they’ve taken out their air defences leaving masses of troops and equipment vulnerable to Bayraktar drone strikes etc (which can operate safely outside the range of MANPADs). I think Admiral Akbar has something to say about this situation …
Sorry I'm being slow. Are you saying the Ukrainians have managed to jury rig weapons supplied for ground launched systems, to fit on to attack aircraft?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Ukrainians are playing in the Deep Battle..
This base is 200km from the nearest Ukrainian positions. Either they've got some new toys, or they've repurposed older toys, or Russian air defences are shit, and getting shitter.
I mean, it wasn't too long ago that Moscow belonged to Kyiv, so....
This base is 200km from the nearest Ukrainian positions. Either they've got some new toys, or they've repurposed older toys, or Russian air defences are shit, and getting shitter.
I mean, it wasn't too long ago that Moscow belonged to Kyiv, so....
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Saw some informed speculation on Twitter that this is being done with the missile's Pre-Programmed mode. You put the target location in the missile while it's still on the ground, take off, get within range and release it. Then it heads off towards the preprogammed target and uses its sensors for terminal guidance. The plane doesn't have to say anything more complicated than "missile go now!" and the pilot doesn't have to do anything more than fly to the release point and press a button. All the target acquistion is done by USAF/RAF airborne radar planes over the Black Sea.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Would seem to make any claim uk/usa not part of the war rather thin
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Changeover day. I'm sure 1000's of Russians are heading in the opposite direction to take up their 7 days at the beach. Absolutely sure.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Don’t expect much engagement with this crucial fact.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The practical might ask 'and so what?'...
Given how much fun the Russians are having with Ukraine, do you see them picking a fight with the Americans?
Have you heard ministers or officials say that the UK/US/everyone else isn't helping Ukraine, or that they have set limits, or had limits set by their legislatures, on such help?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
That level of involvement has been known from the start, nothing new here.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
HARMs also have a "figure it out yourself" mode. The pilot hits the pickle button and off it goes in whatever direction you've pointed it in. It listens to all radars in the area, builds a threat list, and goes after what it decides is the most significant threat. This is obviously a bit tricky in this instance, because Ukraine uses a lot of the same systems as the Russians do.
But yeah, in either case all they had to do was get it to stick to the wing and go on a "missile go now!" command.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
When did we sign up to the country being at war?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There was the bit the other day about the himars where it was said the Americans vetoed some targets, that Russia (pre-2014 borders) seemed off-limits. Sure, it's not likely the Russians will escalate this with America but will America escalate this if things aren't going to well for Ukraine?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
kebabking is always a hard act to follow but you could have tried harder
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh there was all that fuss about votes in parliament for Syria and indeed Iraq. But the pretence of democracy has been dropped.
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