Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[cupid_stunt]

I'll be honest, I don't think NATO iss entirely blamless...

There was no chance of Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon, Russia had ensured that by the their backing of the rebels in the east, because any new country has to be unanimously approved by NATO members and factors taken into account will include, among others, “unresolved external territorial disputes”.

The whole NATO thing is just a red herring, used as an excuse by Putin.

 

[Aladdin]

Denmark and Finland are ready to take refugees from Ukraine, both their prime ministers have said.

Ireland has announced they will take refugees and anyone who has relatives in Ireland.

 

[A380]

Ireland has announced they will take refugees and anyone who has relatives in Ireland.

Have they also announced that anyone from Ireland who goes to fight against Putin will be banned from getting a job in the civil service for 20 years?

 

[AmateurAgitator]

A comrade of mine had this to say yesterday :

Initially the US government has got what it wanted, which was to take advantage of the Ukraine situation as an excuse to end the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany, making Germany reliant on liquified natural gas from the USA at four times the price. Russia won't care too much. It'll ship its gas and other raw materials to Iran and China instead, cementing the emerging alliance that challenges American world hegemony. A war in Ukraine will be fought by proxies for both sides, as it was in Syria. State capitalism versus the neo-conservative variety.

I hope that this war backfires on Putin, because apparently alot of Russians don't want war, especially with other slavs.

 

[gosub]

There was no chance of Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon, Russia had ensured that by the their backing of the rebels in the east, because any new country has to be unanimously approved by NATO members and factors taken into account will include, among others, “unresolved external territorial disputes”.

The whole NATO thing is just a red herring, used as an excuse by Putin.

No but also the Ukraines now have want of men and equipment beyond what I think NATO will provide.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Denmark and Finland are ready to take refugees from Ukraine, both their prime ministers have said.

And, Putin's current actions are pushing those two countries closer to joining NATO, the twat.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Paul Mason speaking to Ukrainians outside Downing Street. Have they not suffered enough?

Well Mason didn't hang about in Ukraine for too long did he. George Orwell is not impressed.

 

[zahir]

 

[Mirrors_Lie]

Ireland has announced they will take refugees and anyone who has relatives in Ireland.

It would have been better if they all threatened to join NATO if Russia invaded Ukraine before this invasion, as it was the only weapon they had, especially Ireland which doesn't even have an air force, has no tanks, has a brown water navy at best (I am not even sure they got that) and 6,000 soldiers. tops

 

[donkyboy]

We didn't seem to learn lessons from our own history. Did the West REALLY believe invasion wouldn't happen? What a waste of time with these peace negotiations. You don't amass this number of troops without invading. Look what happened during the Gulf War. Hundreds of thousands US troops were stationed near Iraq. They were not prepared to just grab their belongings and withdraw.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Biden’s fluffing his lines…as usual.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

A comrade of mine had this to say yesterday :

Initially the US government has got what it wanted, which was to manipulate the Ukraine situation as an excuse to end the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline to Germany, making Germany reliant on liquified natural gas from the USA at four times the price. Russia won't care too much. It'll ship its gas and other raw materials to Iran and China instead, cementing the emerging alliance that challenges American world hegemony. A war in Ukraine will be fought by proxies for both sides, as it was in Syria. State capitalism versus the neo-conservative variety.

I hope that this war backfires on Putin, because apparently alot of Russians don't want war, especially with other slavs.

So, your comrade believes that the entire situation has been engineered by America. Did they explain how precisely?

 

[gosub]

Is anyone keeping an eye on China lest they think this an opportune moment to make a grab for Taiwan?

Wasn't ready.. Putin apparently didn't fore warn at most heeded their plea not to fuck up their olympics.

 

[donkyboy]

Can you picture the scenes in Washington if Trump was in the White House. Despite the invasion, he would have said: "I looked Putin in the eye and asked him: are these Russian troops that are in Ukraine and he said "No". And I believe him"

 

[AmateurAgitator]

So, your comrade believes that the entire situation has been engineered by America. Did they explain how precisely?

lol he didn't say that, just that they will benefit from it and how. They will use the situation to their advantage, that's what he meant.

 

[Aladdin]

Have they also announced that anyone from Ireland who goes to fight against Putin will end up getting a job in the civil service for 20 years?

Fyfy
Fate worse than death.....

 

[A380]

Brave as fuck. Pity we won't support them either.

 

[gosub]

Yep. Optimistic (sort of) piece here saying that this will be the end of him.

Ukraine Invasion by Russia Is the Beginning of the End for Putin and His Friends

Vladimir Putin's attack on Ukraine will result in the downfall of him and his friends.

www.thedailybeast.com

That article is going to cause havoc with the Gret Reset fixators

 

[Smokeandsteam]

lol he didn't say that, just that they will benefit from it.

I thought his analysis was that America had got what it wanted initially in respect of control of energy supply to Europe. But then things spiralled out of control or something. How did all of this happen?

 

[The39thStep]

Mason will bore him to death

Fantastic pedigree of success in the second referendum campaign over Brexit , advising Starmer , and fighting fascism . New book must be due after this .

 

[Mirrors_Lie]

Denmark and Finland are ready to take refugees from Ukraine, both their prime ministers have said.

Ireland has announced they will take refugees and anyone who has relatives in Ireland.

It would have been better if they all threatened to join NATO if Russia invaded Ukraine before this invasion, as it was the only weapon they had, especially Ireland which doesn't even have an air force, has no tanks, has a brown water navy at best (I am not even sure they got that) and 6,000 soldiers. tops

 

[ska invita]

It's weird seeing Jeremy Corbyn & Farage singing from the same sheet of shit.

Care to show that to be the case?

This idea that anyone who dares criticise the role the west had played in this is an apologist for Putin is nonsense.

The idea Corbyn is an apologist for Putin is nonsense - show an example if you disagree.

The far right have actively apologised for Putin, such as on that Fox News piece. The hymn sheets are very different.

 

[tim]

And, Putin's current actions are pushing those two countries closer to joining NATO, the twat.

Denmark has been in NATO from the start.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Fantastic pedigree of success in the second referendum campaign over Brexit , advising Starmer , and fighting fascism . New book must be due after this .

Hopefully he took all the unsold copies of his last effort with him on his trip to the Ukraine for use as a massive barricade.

 

[gosub]

Care to show that to be the case?

This idea that anyone who dares criticise the role the west had played in this is an apologist for Putin is nonsense.

The idea Corbyn is an apologist for Putin is nonsense - show an example if you disagree.

The far right have actively apologised for Putin, such as on that Fox News piece. The hymn sheets are very different.

Starmer did, and I agree with him, cite Salisbury

 

[RD2003]

There was no chance of Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon, Russia had ensured that by the their backing of the rebels in the east, because any new country has to be unanimously approved by NATO members and factors taken into account will include, among others, “unresolved external territorial disputes”.

The whole NATO thing is just a red herring, used as an excuse by Putin.

Such little ambition did the Ukrainian government have to join NATO that they wrote it into a new constitution.

 

[elbows]

Another little snippet of BBC reporting from their live updates page that implies documents are being burnt.

On the street bounded by the golden domes of St Sophia’s and St Michael’s cathedrals, it’s dark and surreal.

Jets are flying overhead intermittently and there’s an acrid smell in the air. It smells like burning papers.

Three soldiers came by, looking for a man with a drone. Everyone is on edge.

( 17:34 entry of https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795 )

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I just saw footage on facebook of an anti war protest in St. Petersberg. They were apparently shouting : "Russia is against the war!"

 

[cupid_stunt]

Such little ambition did the Ukrainian government have to join NATO that they wrote it into a new constitution.

Yeah, in 2019 after the last Russian invasion in 2014, their ambition is irrelevant to NATO accepting them as a member. ,

 

[tim]

Well Mason didn't hang about in Ukraine for too long did he. George Orwell is not impressed.

Johnson called him home to head up the Twenty-First Century iteration of the Special Operations Executive.