Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[frogwoman]

Far right figures like Girkin can get away with stuff that others wouldn't

 

[agricola]

I really wish Johnson would stop it with the overheated rhetoric by the way. The G7 release an agreed statement, and a few hours later there is the Downing Street spokeswoman going way beyond it saying:

“Ukraine needed to receive military equipment that allowed them to not just hold ground in Ukraine, but recapture it, the Prime Minister told the leaders,”

To do stuff like this, almost certainly for his own ends, does my head in.

 

[Spandex]

I really wish Johnson would stop it with the overheated rhetoric by the way. The G7 release an agreed statement, and a few hours later there is the Downing Street spokeswoman going way beyond it saying:



To do stuff like this, almost certainly for his own ends, does my head in.

Johnson has always been a self-aggrandising prick without moral or scruple who says whatever flickers across his brain without regard to actuality or consequence. It would be out of character for him to act any differently on the world stage with the distant threat of nuclear holocaust hanging over the planet and is why he should never have been allowed near an atom of power.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I really wish Johnson would stop it with the overheated rhetoric by the way. The G7 release an agreed statement, and a few hours later there is the Downing Street spokeswoman going way beyond it saying:



To do stuff like this, almost certainly for his own ends, does my head in.

yeah - its reckless grandstanding which plays right into putins hands propaganda wise. Ukraine going beyond the 2014 border - is not a definite thing that is going to happen but not impossible - and its a whole other level of dangerous worms and something the nato countries really need to agree on. How far they are going to go support Ukraine in that? (threaten it to force Russia to negotiate? - kick Russia's arse completely? make it a strict line in the sand?) Clearly their is a push for that from some quarters (Biden seems to be pushing in that direction) - but at some point it goes beyond the rights and needs of the Ukrainians to defend them selves and becomes more about US/NATO/EU geo political agendas.

 

[Cid]

yeah - its reckless grandstanding which plays right into putins hands propaganda wise. Ukraine going beyond the 2014 border - is not a definite thing that is going to happen but not impossible - and its a whole other level of dangerous worms and something the nato countries really need to agree on. How far they are going to go support Ukraine in that? (threaten it to force Russia to negotiate? - kick Russia's arse completely? make it a strict line in the sand?) Clearly their is a push for that from some quarters (Biden seems to be pushing in that direction) - but at some point it goes beyond the rights and needs of the Ukrainians to defend them selves and becomes more about US/NATO/EU geo political agendas.

I don't think he's talking about pushing beyond 2014 boundaries; much of Ukraine's requests around heavy weaponry were justified in that without them they can't effectively counterattack, only defend current positions. Johnson is just echoing that.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I don't think he's talking about pushing beyond 2014 boundaries; much of Ukraine's requests around heavy weaponry were justified in that without them they can't effectively counterattack, only defend current positions. Johnson is just echoing that.

ah - yes misread it. Think Truss indicated that though a few days ago? Anyway - as you were

 

[Cid]

ah - yes misread it. Think Truss indicated that though a few days ago? Anyway - as you were

Yeah, I am very much not here to defend the tories, but I imagine official releases are at least somewhat vetted. Considerably more so than the crap that spews from Truss' mouth anyway.

 

[Artaxerxes]

It’s remarkable how normalised it has become ( For many) to sit and watch videos of people in vehicles being destroyed. It’s war being consumed by the call of duty generation

We'd have done the same I'm 91 if we'd had the tech

 

[David Clapson]

Apparently mobilization may have started. This twitterer has been right about plenty of stuff before.

 

[Humberto]

Proper stamp and everything. Buckle up twitterers.

 

[Flavour]

Did you bother to read the replies?

 

[teuchter]

It's not obviously photoshopped (they are misinterpreting a line that's just caused by a fold in the paper), but it also doesn't seem to be what the original poster is claiming it is.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It's going to be interesting to hear what Putin has to say during his Victory Day speech, which has just started, it could give some indication of what his plans are and the direction of travel over the coming weeks, the Ukrainians seem to be expecting the worst.

Facing setbacks, officials have suggested that Vladimir Putin may use the May 9 holiday to repackage the war in Ukraine. Dramatic options include escalation through a formal declaration of war or general mobilisation – or de-escalating by proclaiming victory.

Alternatively, Putin could offer up a “sandwich”, as one analyst put it, that praises the Russian army’s “victory” while preparing the population for a grinding and painful conflict as status quo.

Ukrainian officials in particular have warned that Putin is planning to announce a mass mobilisation, or even to declare war against Ukraine, calling up personnel and resources that were untapped under Russia’s so-called “special operation” that began on 24 February.

This is a good summary of how different options could play out.

Putin’s choices filled with peril on eve of Victory Day parade

After repeated military setbacks, the Russian president will have to repackage the conflict to keep his people on-side

www.theguardian.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Watching some of these Russian troops marching in the parade just brings back memories of Monty Python's ministry of silly walks.

 

[agricola]

His speech has just ended (unless he is going to come back later), no announcement of mobilization.

 

[cupid_stunt]

His speech has just ended (unless he is going to come back later), no announcement of mobilization.

I was just wondering if he would be speaking more later, that seemed very brief for him and in view of what's going on.

 

[agricola]

A very interesting debate accompanying the footage of the parade on Sky News as well - Dannatt and Radakin discussing what is going on whilst also quietly slating how our government are behaving.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I am watching that too, as you say very interesting, a heavy hint that Truss was talking bollocks about pushing Russia back to pre-2014 positions, including out of Crimea, which they said is never going to happen.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was just wondering if he would be speaking more later, that seemed very brief for him and in view of what's going on.

how long does he normally speak for?

 

[cupid_stunt]

how long does he normally speak for?

He's known for long rambling speeches, that one back in February about Ukraine lasted about an hour.

 

[bluescreen]

He's known for long rambling speeches, that one back in February about Ukraine lasted about an hour.

Do you reckon stamina might be a problem for him right now?

 

[gosub]

Do you reckon stamina might be a problem for him right now?

If you don't trust your own air force to do a flypast I think being in the same place too long is a problem

But he's not a young man and some treatments do take it out of you

 

[LDC]

Be useful if before people posted they had a look at things like replies to tweets, or whether their post is better on the speculation thread or this news one.

 

[Ax^]

was interesting that the "Z" symbol was missing from the parade
did someone point out it looking a bit nazi

 

[agricola]

I am watching that too, as you say very interesting, a heavy hint that Truss was talking bollocks about pushing Russia back to pre-2014 positions, including out of Crimea, which they said is never going to happen.

The bit later on where they described our leadership as being the most hawkish on the planet, and how difficult it would be to sell a grubby sort of peace between Ukraine and Russia in London was odd too.

 

[dilute micro]

I don't think he's talking about pushing beyond 2014 boundaries; much of Ukraine's requests around heavy weaponry were justified in that without them they can't effectively counterattack, only defend current positions. Johnson is just echoing that.

Who seriously thinks "2014 boundries" didn't come from an invasion? By all rights Ukraine shouldn't have to or be expected to allow Russia to grab whatever land they want.

 

[NoXion]

Watching some of these Russian troops marching in the parade just brings back memories of Monty Python's ministry of silly walks.

Sounds like goose-stepping. That's still a popular thing in some parts of the world. I find it a strange thing, because as far as I know it's only done for aesthetics.

 

[IC3D]

The nationalist far right is the only opposition that Putin has to be cautious about angering atm

I find it hard to get my head around that but it does seem to bear true.

 

[IC3D]

I really wish Johnson would stop it with the overheated rhetoric by the way. The G7 release an agreed statement, and a few hours later there is the Downing Street spokeswoman going way beyond it saying:



To do stuff like this, almost certainly for his own ends, does my head in.

Talking Billy big bollocks behind Biden and his war chest.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's known for long rambling speeches, that one back in February about Ukraine lasted about an hour.

that's fuck all, i thought you meant he was an orator of castroite proportions - castro's 'history will absolve me' speech lasted four hours, while his speech to the un general assembly on 26 september 1960 lasted four hours twenty-nine minutes. in 1986 at the communist party congress in havana he gave a speech which took seven hours and ten minutes to deliver. a speech of an hour by comparison nothing.