Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I think they did go down that route. Not sure what the truth is. (Sitting here, hoping they've defected, obvs!)
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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David Clapson
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That's great, I can finally read the Washington Post. E.g. this
THREE DOZEN TYCOONS MET PUTIN ON INVASION DAY. MOST HAD MOVED
MONEY ABROAD.
archive.phAnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
On Sunday, the Freedom of Russia Legion (anti-Putin Russians) claimed to have arrived in Donbass!
"We thank the armed forces of [@ Ukraine] for putting trust in us and we promise to uphold it as we go into battle"
Don't know much about them except they want to overthrow the Putin regime and are fighting with the Ukrainian military, and they use the white-blue-white flag.
Wait, what?!? So now there's an overt internecine war going on, a sort of Russian civil war being played out, but in Ukraine?
maomao
普費斯
Despite the use of the word 'divisions' there are less than ten soldiers in the video and they fit comfortably on a minibus. Not sure that qualifies as a civil war.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
There’s been Russians fighting on the Ukrainian side for a while, using the blue and white flag. Not particularly surprised that a lot won’t want to show their faces in propaganda guff given families back home etc. There’s also Belorussian groups which have been present almost since the start.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I was aware some Russian soldiers had defected after capture and were now fighting for Ukraine.
I hadn't been aware some Russians had signed up to fight for Ukraine from the off.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
It’s a very distressing read of rape, murder and brutalisation, but an important one.
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
We already know lots of horrendous stuff is happening. For me, I don't see the benefit of reading these accounts, and it almost feels a bit wrong. It's not going to change my view on anything and it's not going to enable me to do anything about what's happening. Others may feel differently of course.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
For me reading all the stories of dreadful suffering diminish the ability to see the important things on an operational or strategic level. And what's worse after a while the stories are no longer as appalling to read as they were - a degree of desensitisation occurs, at least to me. Not through my own volition but through the awful repetition.It’s a very distressing read of rape, murder and brutalisation, but an important one.
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Difficult one - I think there's a importance to bearing witness to suffering, that to not read the accounts or look at the pictures says that those involved don't matter. On the other hand, reading it doesn't change anything, it doesn't bring any comfort to the victim.
Truth is, if you've read a book, or watched any decent documentary on the behaviour of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, then you can make a pretty shrewd guess as to what's happening in Ukraine.
Truth is, if you've read a book, or watched any decent documentary on the behaviour of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, then you can make a pretty shrewd guess as to what's happening in Ukraine.
maomao
普費斯
Twitter is really best for this. Of course it needs to be filtered and read with a critical eye but even the broadsheets are a bit rubbish and q couple of days late with what's happening operationally.
not-bono-ever
meh
It’s remarkable how normalised it has become ( For many) to sit and watch videos of people in vehicles being destroyed. It’s war being consumed by the call of duty generation
rekil
to menny cranks
If you avoid accounts of atrocities then you risk opening yourself up to the agenda of loons whose mission is to sanitise suffering and flood spaces with mockery and denial. It's downright unhealthy to view gore images and whatnot but so is absorbing loonery.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah see the gross 'last hospital in Aleppo' assadist memes etc
Raheem
Well-Known Member
And also fought by.
maomao
普費斯
Bono and The Edge hold surprise concert at Kyiv bomb shelter
Ukrainian soldier performs on stage with U2 stars after Zelenskiy invitation
I'm not sure how Putin talked them into doing it but surely this is the last straw. NATO troops should be sent into Ukraine immediately to ensure this doesn't happen again.
rekil
to menny cranks
"I won't heed the battle call" and so on. I'm not sure bothsidesasbadeachother pacifist slop is entirely appropriate. Sick objectively pro-Putin fucks.
Sweetest thing -- Bono has cuppa with Medvedev
IT was tea by the sea yesterday for the lead singer of U2 and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Bono and The Edge hold surprise concert at Kyiv bomb shelter
Ukrainian soldier performs on stage with U2 stars after Zelenskiy invitationwww.irishtimes.com
I'm not sure how Putin talked them into doing it but surely this is the last straw. NATO troops should be sent into Ukraine immediately to ensure this doesn't happen again.
Have they not suffered enough!
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
Amazingly defeatist analysis on Russian TV. Mikhail Khodaryonok is a retired Colonel from Russia's air defence force
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agricola
a genuine importer of owls
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Then he probably knows what he is talking about...
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
More bad news for Russians on their own state TV
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, he's certainly at home to Mister Grumpy, isn't he? All that frowning and folded arms...
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
What are we to make of this stuff? Broadcasting that Russia has weapons shortages can't help with any of the possible announcements Putin might make tomorrow. How can the TV people dare to criticise Russia's military might?
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