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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

Pickman's model said:
If you remember 2003 as you claim you'll recall that troops were moved to Saudi Arabia some time before the laughable parliamentary vote on the matter, when it was clear that there would be war as everything had already been arranged long before the 15.2.03 demo let alone any parliamentary debate
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It was foreshadowed by the Project for the New American Century. They'd pretty much already decided they wanted to invade Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein from power, then manipulated the 'evidence', aided and abetted by Blair's 'dodgy dossier' to make that happen.

See the section 'Calls for regime change in Iraq'.

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Andrey Zubov, of Russian opposition People's Freedom Party, has said his father oversaw the construction of the Moskva as an admiral.

Zubov said his father, who was an admiral, saw the heavy cruiser as a deterrent that should never be used in anger. “Thank God he did not see how the current Russian strategists used his pride,” he said. “It is a big military mistake in itself to use an anti-aircraft deterrent as a ship to provide fire support for an amphibious landing.”

That’s especially the case given the ship’s defence systems and analog radar were outdated.
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Loss of Moskva goes beyond wounded pride as it was a very capable ship

“Russian glory burns off the coast of Ukraine,” Zubov wrote in his post. “I do not know how many sailors were killed and maimed.”
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The Moskva and her sister ships were built by Ukrainians at the Mykolaiv shipyard, near Kherson. There's a fourth ship in the class, but it was never finished and has been sitting in the shipyard for 20 years. The Russian navy called it Admiral Flota Lobov. Ownership passed to Ukraine after the USSR collapsed, and it was renamed the Ukraina. But the Ukraine navy doesn't want it because it has obsolete weapons and costs £750k to refuel. Before the war the plan was to cannibalise it. It's on Google Maps Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant

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David Clapson said:
The Moskva and her sister ships were built by Ukrainians at the Mykolaiv shipyard, near Kherson. There's a fourth ship in the class, but it was never finished and has been sitting in the shipyard for 20 years. The Russian navy called it Admiral Flota Lobov. Ownership passed to Ukraine after the USSR collapsed, and it was renamed the Ukraina. But the Ukraine navy doesn't want it because it has obsolete weapons and costs £750k to refuel. Before the war the plan was to cannibalise it. It's on Google Maps Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant

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Prime candidate for WeBuyAnyShip.com
 
David Clapson said:
The Moskva and her sister ships were built by Ukrainians at the Mykolaiv shipyard, near Kherson. There's a fourth ship in the class, but it was never finished and has been sitting in the shipyard for 20 years. The Russian navy called it Admiral Flota Lobov. Ownership passed to Ukraine after the USSR collapsed, and it was renamed the Ukraina. But the Ukraine navy doesn't want it because it has obsolete weapons and costs £750k to refuel. Before the war the plan was to cannibalise it. It's on Google Maps Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant

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www.businessinsider.com

Russian warship sunk in Ukraine war may have been carrying a piece of the 'true cross,' a treasured Christian relic

Russian state media reported in 2020 that the Moskva was readying to receive a piece of the "true cross" for its chapel. Two years on, the ship sank.
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Plenty of reports this morning, that the SAS is back in Ukraine training their troops.

SAS troops have trained local forces in Kyiv for the first time since the war with Russia began, Ukrainian commanders have told The Times.

Officers from two battalions stationed in and around the capital said they had undergone military training from serving British special forces, one last week and the other the week before.

Captain Yuriy Myronenko, whose battalion is stationed in Obolon on the northern outskirts of Kyiv, said that military trainers had come to instruct new and returning military recruits to use NLAWs, British-supplied anti-tank missiles that were delivered in February as the invasion was beginning.
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“We have received huge military help from Britain,” he said. “But the people who knew how to use NLAWs were in other places, so we had to go on YouTube to teach ourselves. You can learn in seven minutes, five to seven minutes.

“After that we had good training. British officers were here two weeks ago in our unit and they trained us really good. And because we have had successes, we have self-confidence now.”
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Good to know they have been doing their own research. :D

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agricola said:
Hard to see those reports as anything other than No.10 signing off on it coming out, which in the circumstances is phenomenally criminal behaviour.
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Why? If No.10 released the info chances are either the British troops left already, or they know that the Russians already know the details and decided there’s something to be gained by making it public.
 
platinumsage said:
Why? If No.10 released the info chances are either the British troops left already, or they know that the Russians already know the details and decided there’s something to be gained by making it public.
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The whole point of deniability is that you retain the ability to deny something though; saying “we never confirm or deny etc etc etc” doesn’t work if you give a big wink via a government-friendly paper.

Plus that’s if they did it for the right reasons, as opposed to generating fluff to distract people from domestic problems for the government.
 
platinumsage said:
Why? If No.10 released the info chances are either the British troops left already, or they know that the Russians already know the details and decided there’s something to be gained by making it public.
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Something to be gained = a possible transient boost to their approval ratings, vs the possible expansion of the war or the death of sas personnel whose presence ought to have been a closely guarded secret after the fanfare declaring all soldiers out. More buffoonery with other people's lives from this abysmal government
 
cupid_stunt said:
Plenty of reports this morning, that the SAS is back in Ukraine training their troops.





Good to know they have been doing their own research. :D

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I think SAS's leadership must sit back in their lilac boathouse, sipping their gins, and chortling at all the places in the world they were supposed to be while they were in completely different places in the world. I expect someone's dug up a Catering Corps NCO with a line in tall tales and a set of campaign medals off eBay... :hmm:
 
dilute micro said:
3000 that could be brought out of mothballs from the 6000 held in reserve.
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Do they have trained personnel on standby to crew them though? Otherwise they're just going to keep getting picked off by modern weoponry which by all accounts can be operated by anyone with not much training.
 
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