Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[A380]

Yeah. It's the Ukrainian civilians fault those soldiers behaved barbarically.

NATO innit. Russian soldiers forced to cable tie people's hands behind their back then shoot them. Because NATO.

 

[Indeliblelink]

Hundreds buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv: Mayor

Anatoly Fedoruk says the recaptured town’s streets are littered with corpses of civilians killed by Russian forces.

www.aljazeera.com

There was a video posted three weeks ago [I don't know the original source] claiming to show 67 bodies being put in a mass grave at Bucha.
They're in body bags but it's obviously still quite disturbing to watch. I've seen other photos which look like the the same grave with more bodies on top.

Spoiler

The location of the video of the bodies in the street is Yablunska St on the Irpin/Bucha border.

 

[A380]

I used to work with someone who was a war crimes investigator in the Balkans - she didn't talk about it that much apart from some of the technical details which were of professional use. I'm still friends with her on FB. She's chomping at the bit to go and start case. building.

 

[IC3D]

NATO innit. Russian soldiers forced to cable tie people's hands behind their back then shoot them. Because NATO.

Just to be clear I fully support the poison laced pasties of NATO and all other baked products.

 

[_Russ_]

The absolute state of these bastards.

It is of course possible that corpses are being tied up post mortem to create a false impression, Im not saying that this is so but first casualty of war etc.

 

[gosub]

Satellite images show 45-foot-long trench at mass grave site in Ukrainian city of Bucha

CNN reported seeing "at least a dozen bodies in body bags piled inside the grave" in Bucha on Sunday.

www.axios.com

 

[Mr Moose]

The absolute state of these bastards.

Plenty will want to believe that, particularly those who have been vociferously backing the Russian State as existentially threatened and justified.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Plenty will want to believe that, particularly those who have been vociferously backing the Russian State as existentially threatened and justified.

As if a few hundred extra deaths are going to trigger western military intervention, and quoting that nutjob website.

The Grayzone's news content is generally considered to be fringe,[3][15][16][17] with its content ideologically centered around the website's desire for a multipolar world.[3] Along this vein, the website has supported the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria,[24] publishing content denying that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against civilians during the Syrian Civil War,[3][25] and maintains a pro-Kremlin editorial line.[24][2] The website has also denied the scope of the Xinjiang internment camps and the Uyghur genocide, downplaying widely reported abuses by the Chinese government against Turkic Muslim minorities in Xinjiang.[3][11][10][15]

Wiki link

 

[frogwoman]

I have a mate, ex SP that fell headlong for that grayzone shit about a year ago. Dunno what she thinks now.

 

[dilute micro]

Just to be clear I fully support the poison laced pasties of NATO and all other baked products.

The alcohol has a higher count of 500 atm. You have to wonder how quickly they can treat that.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Plenty will want to believe that, particularly those who have been vociferously backing the Russian State as existentially threatened and justified.

Has Kit moved on from Sputnik?

 

[Nylock]

What's the likelihood of the alcohol poisoned soldiers having just spent their time getting completely shitfaced on looted booze (esp. spirits) and then blaming it on the Ukrainians to avoid punishment?

 

[Diamond]

Russian state media published an article this morning calling for the destruction of Ukraine and its people - total elimination of its identity, presumably entailing genocide of some description:

 

[Kaka Tim]

What's the likelihood of the alcohol poisoned soldiers having just spent their time getting completely shitfaced on looted booze (esp. spirits) and then blaming it on the Ukrainians to avoid punishment?

Or some dodgy moonshine liberated from a barn- can be toxic if not distilled properly.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Russian state media published an article this morning calling for the destruction of Ukraine and its people - total elimination of its identity, presumably entailing genocide of some description:

The Banderite elite must be liquidated, its reeducation is impossible. The social 'swamp' which actively and passively supports it must undergo the hardships of war and digest the experience as a historical lesson and atonement"

christ - they aren't even pretending anymore are they? Purging through war? Its full on totalitarian fascist death cult shit.

 

[Flavour]

The Russian withdrawal from Sumy, Chernihiv seems to be complete already -- very fast. Can't be long before those same formations reappear in Donbass

 

[Artaxerxes]

Russian state media published an article this morning calling for the destruction of Ukraine and its people - total elimination of its identity, presumably entailing genocide of some description:

Standard Daily Mail column right there

 

[Artaxerxes]

The Russian withdrawal from Sumy, Chernihiv seems to be complete already -- very fast. Can't be long before those same formations reappear in Donbass

I suspect it’ll be longer than you’d think, half the Belarus railway network is on strike and they’ve lost a bunch of kit and morale must be through the floor.

 

[maomao]

Can't be long before those same formations reappear in Donbass

They've just had six weeks of hell and been through a literal decimation. They would need proper rest and regrouping to be properly effective.

 

[frogwoman]

Attempts to build a Ukrainian state 'logically lead to Nazism'

Unlike, say, making civilians wear white cloths round their arms then shooting them

Ironically this is one of the most nazi things I have read in some time

 

[Pickman's model]

Attempts to build a Ukrainian state 'logically lead to Nazism'

Unlike, say, making civilians wear white cloths round their arms then shooting them

Ironically this is one of the most nazi things I have read in some time

the entire thing is utterly fucked. i don't know how the people coming out with this shit expect anyone to take it at all seriously as an explanation of anything

 

[frogwoman]

here is a full English translation

 

[SpookyFrank]

It is of course possible that corpses are being tied up post mortem to create a false impression, Im not saying that this is so but first casualty of war etc.

There are forensic people working on it. They'll be able to tell if people were bound pre- or post-mortem.

 

[Rimbaud]

christ - they aren't even pretending anymore are they? Purging through war? Its full on totalitarian fascist death cult shit.

Yeah if that article is anything close to representing thinking in the Kremlin I think it is OK to call them fascists now.

 

[Indeliblelink]

Russia asks U.N. Security Council to discuss Bucha 'provocation'

Russia has requested that the United Nations Security Council convene on Monday to discuss what it called a "provocation by Ukrainian radicals" in the town of Bucha after Kyiv accused Russian troops of killing civilians there.

www.reuters.com

TASS saying Britain, as leader of the UN SC at the moment, has refused this request.

https://tass.com/politics/1431949

Ukraine: Secretary-General calls for probe into Bucha killings

UN Secretary-General António Guterres on Sunday called for an independent investigation into the killing of civilians in the Ukrainian town of Bucha, a suburb of the capital, Kyiv.

news.un.org

 

[Flavour]

They've just had six weeks of hell and been through a literal decimation. They would need proper rest and regrouping to be properly effective.

You'd think that, but the evidence from the war so would suggest the Russian Army high command does not care much for their rest and regrouping

 

[frogwoman]

Ummm

 

[frogwoman]

What's that Bordiga said about anti fascism being the worst product of fascism? Kinda starting to get what he meant

 

[zahir]

Yeah if that article is anything close to representing thinking in the Kremlin I think it is OK to call them fascists now.

And it's OK to say that the pro-Putin left are sympathisers and fellow travellers with fascism.

 

[frogwoman]

definitely not written by an actual nazi.