cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
What a load of bollocks, he kept saying they weren't going to invade, which is hardly the way to go about presenting a highly credible threat.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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What a load of bollocks, he kept saying they weren't going to invade, which is hardly the way to go about presenting a highly credible threat.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
I think it's accurate. In the language of military chess and posturing moving your army to the border of another country is sending a message to the leaders of that country and to anyone in their military. Apparently Putin thought this was going to be an easy topple.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sure we've been saying that for at least 350 pages
rekil
to menny cranks
Wonder no more.
All them nutters who were squawking about phoning the hague cos a pilot got filmed have gone a bit quiet.
Eta: Galloway also pushing shithead aaron mate's line that azov did it.
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Of course, moving your army to the border of another country is sending a message, but for it to become a real threat, you need them to believe you are actually prepared to invade, or at very least leave them guessing, and use that in the talks earlier this year. Putin was doing exactly the opposite by telling everyone he had no intention to invade, thus deflating any threat, whilst he got his ducks lined-up ready for the invasion.
It's possible that it may have been his original plan last year, and that didn't work, so he moved forward with planning the invasion, transferring more & more resources to the border and into Belarus early this year.
There's no way he just suddenly decided to invade in the last few days before he did, as suggested in that article as a reason why 'most Russian soldiers were not told they would be invading Ukraine until the last moment (or, in some cases, not at all)', etc.
He thought invading was going to be a piece of piss, victory within a few days, hence why it was so haphazard, the planning went wrong, plain & simple.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Yes, blame the Muslims, and promote the fiction and that white Christian troops could not behave like that.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Not too much of a surprise.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
So have I since shortly after the invasion. Some didn't think there would be an invasion.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
Right, it was not a last minute decision. But there are signs in the movement and staging of military units that are not done for exercises and in the way they're done. That's why some predicted the invasion would indeed happen.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Something to do with people not freezing to death.
Riklet
procrastinación
Thats pretty disingenuous. They could stop buying all Russian petroleum products tomorrow without that happening. In fact several of the Baltic states have done just that!
Yes, that would make the EU probably more reliant on other dodgy regimes too. But lets not kid ourselves, theres always vested interest in business as normal. Especially in Germany where the daft green cunts got rid of the nuclear industry and started buying loads of cheap Russian gas instead.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There'd be loads of unforeseen consequences if they stopped buying everything based on petroleum
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Galloway has apparently shaved a Z into his kids hair.
I’m not bothering to quote anyone on this because I’m already giving him more attention than he deserves in my headspace
Riklet
procrastinación
edited to clarify 'Russian petroleum'.
The EU has big gas stocks and several friendly neighbours with a lot to shift as well.
Just seen Iraq now producing more oil and gas than at any time in the past 50 years. Time to get Mosul on the phone?
strung out
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Chernobyl (located just on the Ukraine/Belarus border) has officially been retaken.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
It wasn't overnight in the case of the Baltics, it took years to achieve.
ska invita
back on the other side
No. You're trying your hardest.Shock and awe was tactical first and bewildering second. It wasn't indiscriminately firing munitions into populated areas with civilian targets and crumbing cities to the ground. And it wasn't mass slaughter of civilians and mass graves. The Iraqis themselves said that they didn't fear the bombings because they were targeted to specific things like communications and anti-air emplacements. Yes, the American and Russian ways of war are very different, note the tools used at the very least. Complain about the money spent and then ignore the reasons why. Russia has a big third world army. At the present, they're wannabes. That may change in 20 to 30 years but right now they're pathetic.
Depends how dirty the war gets.. Vietnam for example...British military history as tomes of innocent slaughter.. .
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
No. You're trying your hardest.
Iraqi Civilians | Costs of War
The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
You say Collateral Damage I say Hegemony and War Crimes. The numbers of civilian deaths as a result of the Iraq war speak for themselves and if it wasn't for the foreign policy of the UK and the US we might not be in the shitstorm we're in now. It's why Russia and China and many others consider the west to be all their arse.
Where's their shock and awe now the stakes are higher?
Risible innuendo
Set out your critique with evidence.
You won’t because you haven’t got anything.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
I agree with you mostly. I'm not giving the "collateral damage" line as if I don't care that people are killed. I'll only say that it is, unfortunately, a fact of war no matter what. I was taking issue with trying to make an apples to apples with no regard for intent. Anyway, there shouldn't have been a war in Iraq. And this war might have been prevented had there not been a disarming campaign for Ukraine.Iraqi Civilians | Costs of War
The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.watson.brown.edu
You say Collateral Damage I say Hegemony and War Crimes. The numbers of civilian deaths as a result of the Iraq war speak for themselves and if it wasn't for the foreign policy of the UK and the US we might not be in the shitstorm we're in now. It's why Russia and China and many others consider the west to be all their arse.
Where's their shock and awe now the stakes are higher?
Flavour
hang the bankers
It's April, nobody's freezing to death in Europe. Gas can be rationed and priority given to domestic heating. It's all doable. It's about desire, not feasibility
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBF I'd be amazed if they did that (though Germany has said it). I'd have thought it will be prioritised for industry, given that they do have to buy it (gas).
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