Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Again, purported OMON and SOBR personnel captured in late February/early March described how they had been tasked with pacification of the civilian population after being deployed behind the initial invasion force, including through execution squads:
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"Ukraine is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space” Putin said. That’s what this is all about, “spiritual space” — a terrifying phrase steeped in over a thousand years of Russian religious history. Rev Giles Fraser argues that Putin is driven by a particular...
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
That's nothing, one us division before the invasion of Iraq was actually issued 10,000 body bags in 2003. And if the Russians planned mass executions it's really weird that that's the only aspect of their plans that actually worked. Of course it may be true. But for me that tweet raises at least one eyebrow
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This war is going to be with us long after Putin dies
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If the riot police were going to carry out the executions then you'd have thought they'd have the body bags. For me the tweet doesn't hang together as evidence of what it purports
maomao
普費斯
The best we can hope for is a massively intensified version of the festering wound that has been eastern Ukraine for the last decade. Probably accompanied by regular rocket attacks on the rest of the country.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Without wishing to sound like I condone or excuse this (which I don’t), that sort of activity was always going to be their likely response to the mooted Western-backed resistance movements that were being talked up when people thought this would be over quickly and they’d occupy the country. (Edit)Whether that would have happened pre-emptively is another question.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
He's got me there.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Is this part of some ethnic clensing shit? Terrorise the anti Russian ukraninans out of their towns and replace with settlers?
Whatever the reasons, I fear their will be other similar crimes uncovered.
Think the repurcussions from this will be profound and longlasting.
Wonder how the Ukrainian separatists feel about this?
Or people in crimea?
Whatever the reasons, I fear their will be other similar crimes uncovered.
Think the repurcussions from this will be profound and longlasting.
Wonder how the Ukrainian separatists feel about this?
Or people in crimea?
not-bono-ever
meh
No excuse for the individuals that carried out these appalling crimes but responsibility goes right up the chain of command.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
What it reminds me of most is the crimes committed by the Revolutionary United Front in the last years of the Sierra Leone civil war. By that point they had degenerated completely into nihilism, abandoning any political line for "the enemy is everyone who is not us".
maomao
普費斯
Unlike the Russians?
I thought the Chechens were fighting in Mariupol. Other end of the country.
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
I'd be interested in seeing whether these hideous atrocities will be regarded as all stand-alone cases or whether similarities between them indicate a systemic approach by Russian forces. Orders from the top down?
A lot of evidence-gathering (I assume) is taking place.
Words seem redundant to describe some of the mainstream media reports coming in
A lot of evidence-gathering (I assume) is taking place.
Words seem redundant to describe some of the mainstream media reports coming in
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Their participation in the smo has been widely publicised
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
It's just what armies do isn't it? The Russia army is just an especially unpleasant.
I think back to the early days of this thread when some posters where saying all sending weapons in would do is prolong the violence.
I said (along with others) that occupation would be more violent. These scenes are exactly what I was afraid of but on a country wide scale. As much as I feel crap supporting NATO sending weapons in, to argue against that is to argue for this on a far greater scale.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Why would they say anything?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
With their track record on human rights, fuck all.
Hedging but perhaps a bit of both.
It's unfortunately not hard to imagine demoralised, poorly lead and perhaps themselves brutalised, soldiers doing these sort of things.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
i think there is a difference between almost inevitable atrocities carried out in pretty much every war - brutalised troops venting hate/rage/power/revenge on civilians - like mai lai, or the various atrocities carried out in Iraq by coalition troops (or the credible reports of torture of prisoners by Ukrainian troops) - and a deliberate, systematic policy of terror and mass murder planned and organised from above. The former is bad enough - and is usually accompanied by official denial, cover up and little or no interest in prevention or protecting civilians - but the latter is moving into planned genocide territory.
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