Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[ohmyliver]

Amazing. Fox News pro-putin rant has been translated and put on rt.

Why doesn't he just move to Russia if he loves it so much.

Wonder what Farage and Banks are saying about the invasion.

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking hell I've been in those metro stations etc

Kyiv is a beautiful city

 

[Idris2002]

There seems to be very few reports of Ukrainian resistance so far, apart from the claim of downing five planes. kebabking - is this normal at this point in the game, or a sign of how it's going to play out in general?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Why doesn't he just move to Russia if he loves it so much.

Wonder what Farage and Banks are saying about the invasion.

Apparently Farage on his GB News show has been blaming the US & NATO, and speaking in support of Putin.

#KGB News.

 

[Pickman's model]

Apparently Farage on his GB News show has been blaming the US & NATO, and talking in support of Putin.

#KGB News.

(((vladimir putin)))

 

[ohmyliver]

Apparently Farage on his GB News show has been blaming the US & NATO, and speaking in support of Putin.

#KGB News.

 

[kebabking]

There seems to be very few reports of Ukrainian resistance so far, apart from the claim of downing five planes. kebabking - is this normal at this point in the game, or a sign of how it's going to play out in general?

Bit of both I reckon - Russia has phenomenal combat power, it's put something like 75% of its total armoured/mechanised warfare capability and 50% of its tactical air power in Ukraine's borders. The only place it's going to get caught up in a bloodbath is in urban warfare, the rest is going to be akin to Blitzkrieg.

As for casualties, losses etc.. everyone is shooting at everything, every puff of smoke is a destroyed tank, every plane crossing the horizon has been shot down.

 

[kebabking]

Apparently Farage on his GB News show has been blaming the US & NATO, and speaking in support of Putin.

#KGB News.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sky has just been interviewing some Ukrainians that have crossed the border into Poland, I expect many more will be following them, judging by the gridlocked roads heading west.

 

[RD2003]

I simply can't believe this is happening in the 21st century...

 

[frogwoman]

Sky has just been interviewing some Ukrainians that have crossed the border into Poland, I expect many more will be following them, judging by the gridlocked roads heading west.

Some will be fleeing into Russia as well, I met someone who had in Moscow when I lived there. Not that this isn't overwhelmingly down to Putin tho

 

[dilute micro]

Apparently this was made for the purpose of urban warfare stemming from what the Russians learned in Chechnya.

 

[bimble]

What is the extent of support for this amongst the russian population?

I don't know how anyone could gauge that, but according to this guy Putin's seeming indifference to that question is significant.

 

[frogwoman]

I don't know how anyone could gauge that, but according to this guy Putin's seeming indifference to that question is significant.

I think it's significantly less than Uncle Vova would like tbh. His party only got a small proportion of the vote in recent elections

 

[ohmyliver]

Is this a new thing, the public face of the US far right being so open pro Putin or have they had to pivot a bit in Trump's wake?

not really a new thing, the parts of the US right have liked Putin's strong man thing, and his aggressive promotion of Russian Orthordox Christianity, and cracking down on LGBT people, and going in hard against muslims in Chechnea (sp), for years now. The alt-right also love Alexander Dugin who is close to Putin.

 

[bluescreen]

I don't know how anyone could gauge that, but according to this guy Putin's seeming indifference to that question is significant.

This is the point the Estonian PM made in her interview with the FT last week - that western leaders make the mistake of viewing Putin through the prism of a democratic country. "You say that it's going to be super-expensive for Russia to have a war... [Putin] doesn't care. He's not up for elections."

Kaja Kallas: ‘There is a certain naivety towards Russia’

The Estonian prime minister on the Baltic state’s precarious position and why many European nations misread Moscow

www.ft.com

 

[bimble]

Maybe putin (69) is not thinking about the short-ish term future at all, maybe he's going all in knowing his time is more or less up anyway & he's not the kind to appoint a successor.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bit of both I reckon - Russia has phenomenal combat power, it's put something like 75% of its total armoured/mechanised warfare capability and 50% of its tactical air power in Ukraine's borders. The only place it's going to get caught up in a bloodbath is in urban warfare, the rest is going to be akin to Blitzkrieg.

As for casualties, losses etc.. everyone is shooting at everything, every puff of smoke is a destroyed tank, every plane crossing the horizon has been shot down.

the russians have a considerable amount of experience in urban warfare, in grozny for example.

russia's chechen wars: lessons from urban combat (pdf) https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1289/RAND_MR1289.pdf (know you'll be familiar with this kk but others might not)

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe putin (69) is not thinking about the short-ish term future at all, maybe he's going all in knowing his time is more or less up anyway & he's not the kind to appoint a successor.

ever the optimist i see

 

[ska invita]

I definitely thought it was western hype tbh. Got no time for jacobin red brown slime but relatively few people were actually expecting him to do it!

dont to derail in any way but whats the red boron case against jacobin?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Boris is due to go on tv and wave his cock about, which is going to do fuck all to help but I’m sure it’ll make him feel like Churchill

 

[RD2003]

Some wanker on the radio has just said that this tragedy has happened because the Ukrainians 'wanted to live European life.' What exactly the fuck is a European life you can be forgiven for asking yourself.

 

[dilute micro]

Maybe putin (69) is not thinking about the short-ish term future at all, maybe he's going all in knowing his time is more or less up anyway & he's not the kind to appoint a successor.

I believe that is the case. From his standpoint he's defending his country from the encroaching NATO. And I think he knows he's not going to be in office forever so he's securing his country's future now. So he feels very comfortable in his decision.

 

[Pickman's model]

The alt-right also love Alexander Dugin who is close to Putin.

is he? tell me more.

 

[cupid_stunt]

This is the point the Estonian PM made in her interview with the FT last week - that western leaders make the mistake of viewing Putin through the prism of a democratic country. "You say that it's going to be super-expensive for Russia to have a war... [Putin] doesn't care. He's not up for elections."

Kaja Kallas: ‘There is a certain naivety towards Russia’

The Estonian prime minister on the Baltic state’s precarious position and why many European nations misread Moscow

www.ft.com

Interesting interview, for those without the 'bypass paywalls' extension, here's a busted paywall link - archive.ph

 

[ohmyliver]

is he? tell me more.

I thought he was closer than Bannon was to Trump,

happy to be corrected by someone with more knowledge, because learning is more important than being 'right' for me.

 

[The39thStep]

Latest Chinese statement as well as vacillating about "complex factors" does specifically reiterate "consistent support for national sovereignty and territorial integrity" but tenor of news reports gives undue credence to Russian claims. Tacit complicty rather than open support.

North Korea seem to have a similar line

 

[Artaxerxes]

I believe that is the case. From his standpoint he's defending his country from the encroaching NATO. And I think he knows he's not going to be in office forever so he's securing his country's future now. So he feels very comfortable in his decision.

Over thinking it if you ask me, he literally just views the west with contempt and as weak and he wants to establish Russia as powerful and to be feared.

He’s quashed any opposition at home so he doesn’t give a fuck about how he looks to his people as long as he looks strong and he doesn’t give a fuck about what happens when he’s gone

 

[dylanredefined]

Apparently this was made for the purpose of urban warfare stemming from what the Russians learned in Chechnya.

Lol built as they couldn't get conscripts to get out of armoured vehicles. So they died. Without motivated troops urban warfare is difficult. This thing is javelin bait. Unless you flatten the city. Which means you don't need it.

 

[Ax^]

Why doesn't he just move to Russia if he loves it so much.

Wonder what Farage and Banks are saying about the invasion.

guessing they be praising putin and blaming the eu for the invasion