Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Your comparison might hold up rather better if you said the people who invaded the Falklands were hopeless. The British in your scenario cast in the role of Ukrainians against galtieri's putin
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I think a petrol station forecourt canopy would be more respectful of historical precedent…
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Modernise, wind turbine blade.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
I'm cool with that.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it’s not as if excessive reparation demands have ever led to anything bad happening before, oh no sirree!
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This article writes about some of the Ukrainian activities which were involved in the long, stalled convoy north of Kyiv. I guess we'll find more and more out about how various things got done over time...
www.theguardian.com
The drone operators who halted Russian convoy headed for Kyiv
Special IT force of 30 soldiers on quad bikes is vital part of Ukraine’s defence, but forced to crowdfund for supplies
editor
hiraethified
Incredible stuffThis article writes about some of the Ukrainian activities which were involved in the long, stalled convoy north of Kyiv. I guess we'll find more and more out about how various things got done over time...
The drone operators who halted Russian convoy headed for Kyiv
Special IT force of 30 soldiers on quad bikes is vital part of Ukraine’s defence, but forced to crowdfund for supplies
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
They have a YouTube channel, with some banging tunes, but it's all in Ukrainian (except for the pictures
).planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Odd. Doesn't seem like it's being denied.
The billionaire Roman Abramovich and a Ukrainian peace negotiator suffered symptoms consistent with poisoning earlier this month, according a source with direct knowledge of the incident.
Abramovich was taking part in informal peace negotiations in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, early in March when he began to feel ill, the source told the Guardian. Ukrainian MP Rustem Umerov was also part of the negotiation, and the men later left Ukraine for Poland, and then flew to Istanbul, where they received medical treatment.
“It was during his first trip to Kyiv. Roman lost his sight for several hours. In Turkey, they were treated in a clinic, together with Rustem,” said the source.
The account backs up the claims of a potential poisoning first reported in the Wall Street Journal and by the investigative journalism outlet Bellingcat.
“Bellingcat can confirm that three members of the delegation attending the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on the night of 3 to 4 March 2022 experienced symptoms consistent with poisoning with chemical weapons. One of victims was Russian entrepreneur Roman Abramovich,” wrote the outlet in a tweet.
Bellingcat said the symptoms included eye and skin inflammation, and piercing pain in the eyes.
“The three men experiencing the symptoms consumed only chocolate and water in the hours before the symptoms appeared. A fourth member of the team who also consumed these did not experience symptoms,” wrote Bellingcat, which said one of its investigators had been asked to provide an opinion on the incident by chemical weapons specialists.
“Based on remote and on-site examinations, the experts concluded that the symptoms are most likely the result of international poisoning with an undefined chemical weapon,” said Bellingcat,
Abramovich’s condition improved and he later returned to Kyiv to take part in another round of negotiations, said the source.
A fourth round of negotiations between official Russian and Ukrainian delegations is due to begin in Istanbul on Tuesday.
Asked for comment A spokesperson for the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said: “There is a lot of speculation at the moment, and we recommend to only follow official information.”
The billionaire Roman Abramovich and a Ukrainian peace negotiator suffered symptoms consistent with poisoning earlier this month, according a source with direct knowledge of the incident.
Abramovich was taking part in informal peace negotiations in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, early in March when he began to feel ill, the source told the Guardian. Ukrainian MP Rustem Umerov was also part of the negotiation, and the men later left Ukraine for Poland, and then flew to Istanbul, where they received medical treatment.
“It was during his first trip to Kyiv. Roman lost his sight for several hours. In Turkey, they were treated in a clinic, together with Rustem,” said the source.
The account backs up the claims of a potential poisoning first reported in the Wall Street Journal and by the investigative journalism outlet Bellingcat.
“Bellingcat can confirm that three members of the delegation attending the peace talks between Ukraine and Russia on the night of 3 to 4 March 2022 experienced symptoms consistent with poisoning with chemical weapons. One of victims was Russian entrepreneur Roman Abramovich,” wrote the outlet in a tweet.
Bellingcat said the symptoms included eye and skin inflammation, and piercing pain in the eyes.
“The three men experiencing the symptoms consumed only chocolate and water in the hours before the symptoms appeared. A fourth member of the team who also consumed these did not experience symptoms,” wrote Bellingcat, which said one of its investigators had been asked to provide an opinion on the incident by chemical weapons specialists.
“Based on remote and on-site examinations, the experts concluded that the symptoms are most likely the result of international poisoning with an undefined chemical weapon,” said Bellingcat,
Abramovich’s condition improved and he later returned to Kyiv to take part in another round of negotiations, said the source.
A fourth round of negotiations between official Russian and Ukrainian delegations is due to begin in Istanbul on Tuesday.
Asked for comment A spokesperson for the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said: “There is a lot of speculation at the moment, and we recommend to only follow official information.”
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
Have a watch, see if there's new information. Thatcher or her advisors get the blame for the Goose Green battle, which was done for PR reasons and had no military value.
A still unsolved mystery is why Atlantic Conveyor was ordered close to the Falklands in daylight. Nearly all the rations and tents were lost. Some soldiers went without food for 3 days. Had they spent much longer on the islands, some would have died of exposure.
There are lots of other WTF moments. Astonishing incompetence from Tony Wilson, which resulted in lots of deaths and almost lost the war. More cluelessness by whoever was running things at Northwood and by Jeremy Moore. You don't often hear the top officers being slagged off that badly. I'm sure the programme has made quite an impression with the people in the military currently. If not for some frankly moronic decisions, the campaign could have been won a lot sooner, with far fewer casualties. Having said that, if not for Pinochet we would definitely have lost.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Bellingcat: an MI6 effluent pipe...
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
That's what some people close to the Russian government likes to say.
Supine
Newt Member
They’re still pissed off that belincat identified the Salisbury assassins.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
There I was thinking you'd left your madder warbling days behind you. I'd ask for any evidence of that, but it'd be like asking a flat earther for evidence for their claims. Bet you'll probably say something to me like 'your cards are marked now you State asset'. Fuck off back to your weird little conspiracy obsessed world you crack smoking fruitbat.
Cid
Proper break this time
This I think was a fair bit earlier in the process <checks> 3/4 March. Don't think he's involved now...
gosub
~#
And MH17
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
And nailed on the proof about the civilian airliner shot down over Ukraine
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There's so much out there that I don't know what to believe. I've read accounts that Zelensky asked him to be involved, that Zelensky asked the Yanks to not impose or at least delay imposing sanctions on him due to him answering that request, and that Zelensky had inferred that Abramovitch was willing to help build back the Ukrainian economy.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
There are several sets of talks going on, according to BBC.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Do you intend to substantiate this claim with any supporting evidence?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm you think he had a PR company behind him suggesting ways to whitewash his ties
Roman Abramovich 'was TARGET of poisoning in Kremlin warning'
Christo Grozev, lead Russia investigator for the investigative news outlet Bellingcat, said the billionaire oligarch was not supposed to die in the poisoning.
The Russians really are creative with this shit. That guy's underpants, Salisbury, tea at the Ritz and now chocolates.. It's almost funny.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Just leave this here...
Cid
Proper break this time
Interesting video on what happens to frozen assets from finance professor at King's:
TL: DW
Needs to be proven that a) there was a crime b) asset was connected to that crime and c) ownership in order for them to be permanently seized. Very complex legally (obviously). Russian oligarchs very, very used to asset protection. Also discusses loopholes in proposed UK bill. Sale of Chelsea at no gain will allow the club to function normally, whereas otherwise has substantial restrictions to it.
Guess: Back channel talks about divesting an important cultural asset in exchange for favourable treatment in future (could have held club effectively to ransom? not been keeping up with this aspect). From the most cynical POV cleaning up his image, banking on future unfreezing of assets (as well as presumably numerous unsanctioned assets)... Probably not going back to Russia anytime soon, but he's got Israeli citizenship (and Portuguese). That said, clearly he has taken some physical risks here too.
TL: DW
Needs to be proven that a) there was a crime b) asset was connected to that crime and c) ownership in order for them to be permanently seized. Very complex legally (obviously). Russian oligarchs very, very used to asset protection. Also discusses loopholes in proposed UK bill. Sale of Chelsea at no gain will allow the club to function normally, whereas otherwise has substantial restrictions to it.
Guess: Back channel talks about divesting an important cultural asset in exchange for favourable treatment in future (could have held club effectively to ransom? not been keeping up with this aspect). From the most cynical POV cleaning up his image, banking on future unfreezing of assets (as well as presumably numerous unsanctioned assets)... Probably not going back to Russia anytime soon, but he's got Israeli citizenship (and Portuguese). That said, clearly he has taken some physical risks here too.
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