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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

I think we should support things like the ambulance convoy and those trying to help refugees. Unfortunately it would appear that there are no people in Ukraine to support that are not fighting with the state, a part of which are fascist organisations in the military (as with Russia). I believe in people's right to defend themselves against imperialism/invasion but do not support the state or any capitalist system.
So, you think anarchists should only be passive and pure?
 
Well, that counts as good news then.
Those cruise missile rockets cost hundreds of thousands of £ each I just learned, what a stupid world.

Latest total I saw from an article yesterday was that they’d fired off 775 so far (so over 800 with last night’s attack). Getting on for a billion quid, or a few day’s worth of gas sales to Europe.
 
So, you think anarchists should only be passive and pure?
Do you think everyone in Ukraine is able to fight and that it's a good idea to cheer on young militants and old grannies with machine guns to battle to their deaths from behind a keyboard? Seems like rather a waste to me and not a good idea.

Do you think the Ukrainian state has the right to force people to fight for it when they just want to flee the country because of war?

I'm afraid it is true that there are other ways that the people of Ukraine can be supported that don't involve fighting aswell.
 
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Do you think everyone in Ukraine is able to fight and that it's a good idea to cheer on young militants and old grannies with machine guns to battle to their deaths from behind a keyboard? Seems like rather a waste to me and not a good idea.

I'm afraid it is true that there are other ways that the people of Ukraine can be supported that don't involve fighting aswell.

Do you think becoming a vassal state under Putin should be resisted?
 
Latest total I saw from an article yesterday was that they’d fired off 775 so far (so over 800 with last night’s attack). Getting on for a billion quid, or a few day’s worth of gas sales to Europe.
660 million euros sent from Europe to Russia for gas in just one day (3rd March) :eek: so you're right, for all the fanfare about sanctions they can afford the missiles.
 
This is an interesting take on a psychological factor of the spiralling escalation between NATO and Russia: Social Psychology Provides Insights for Defusing the Ukraine Crisis
What doesn’t bode well is that the summary has misdefined the fundamental attribution error. It’s nothing to do with attributing things to other people, it’s about misattributing causes to individual characteristics rather than the background situation. If they don’t even know what the fundamental attribution error is, which is one of the most basic parts of social psychology, I don’t rate their chances of tackling the more complex parts of it.

To be fair, maybe that’s just the person writing the summary but it doesn’t encourage me to read further.
 
This is quite funny if true

I liked something I saw posted last week, when someone was asking why Ukraine haven’t destroyed that column, and the reply was basically that it was going nowhere, a 40-mile long prison camp that had to feed itself.
 
i found this thread helpful, it's directed at people like me.



But I have a question:
If, as does seem to be the case, Putin is doing a lot of work to try to ramp things up & goad NATO into some kind of response (like with the 'your weapons convoys are now a legit target' thing), why is he doing that, what for?

I mean he doesn't actually want a war with nato (& if he does then he could just make it happen) so why as that man puts it do we have to resist "Putin's attempts to inflict the burden of escalation on us"?
 
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What doesn’t bode well is that the summary has misdefined the fundamental attribution error. It’s nothing to do with attributing things to other people, it’s about misattributing causes to individual characteristics rather than the background situation. If they don’t even know what the fundamental attribution error is, which is one of the most basic parts of social psychology, I don’t rate their chances of tackling the more complex parts of it.

To be fair, maybe that’s just the person writing the summary but it doesn’t encourage me to read further.

I think you need to read the article. It accurately characterises fundamental attribution error and proposes a reasonable take.
 
i found this thread helpful, it's directed at people like me.



But I have a question:
If, as does seem to be the case, Putin is doing a lot of work to try to ramp things up & goad NATO into some kind of response (like with the 'your weapons convoys are now a legit target' thing), why is he doing that, what for?

IMO (totally unmilitary) it's become a game of bluff . I don't think Putin meant it to, but he didn't envisage much of what has happened.
He's now, unexpectedly to him, got to convince a lot of 90%(?) of Ukrainians to agree with his demands or change his demands. I don't think he's ready to change them so soon.
So currently he can only use fear to get them to backdown. So the threats are getting bigger to scare people.
He's fairly confident NATO won't intervene. And he's letting us know that means any weapons , no matter their circuitous route.
Perhaps he thinks NATO would rather try and talk Ukraine into concessions than engage in war. Putin could then look on those concessions as a victory and not lose total face. I know that's prob too simplistic.
I think I'm just trying to think of any way this madness can end as quick as possible.
 
IMO (totally unmilitary) it's become a game of bluff . I don't think Putin meant it to, but he didn't envisage much of what has happened.
He's now, unexpectedly to him, got to convince a lot of 90%(?) of Ukrainians to agree with his demands or change his demands. I don't think he's ready to change them so soon.
So currently he can only use fear to get them to backdown. So the threats are getting bigger to scare people.
He's fairly confident NATO won't intervene. And he's letting us know that means any weapons , no matter their circuitous route.
Perhaps he thinks NATO would rather try and talk Ukraine into concessions than engage in war. Putin could then look on those concessions as a victory and not lose total face. I know that's prob too simplistic.
I think I'm just trying to think of any way this madness can end as quick as possible.
Thats a decent answer.
He might be making these semi-ridiculous threatening statements directed at Nato, instead of just getting on with his shitty war in Ukraine, because he realises now that his best chance of any sort of Victory is if 'the west' starts encouraging Ukraine gov to make concessions. Maybe its just not working yet.
 
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