Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Explain this then Energy security – Ukraine energy profile – Analysis - IEA just the first sentence, Ukraine has a century long history of oil and gas production. it's not bereft of hydrocarbons
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Well I did only say it was a bit reassuring... Just a bit....
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
That’s not in question and as you pointed out, the public gave its judgement on Churchill soon after.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
They might have to write X on several thousand bits of paper.
I don't think Bimble has a problem with being challenged, but your tone is quite harsh/sarcastic. There's a difference between discussion and verbal jousting, not everyone enjoys the latter.
Analysis of possible outcomes by a Chinese policy thinker. Worth a read:
Possible Outcomes of the Russo-Ukrainian War and China's Choice | U.S.-China Perception Monitor
Hu Wei is the vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center of the Counselor's Office of the State Council.uscnpm.org
That's a good read. Apparently it has been scrubbed from the Chinese Internet already though.
There's quite a few signs that sections of the Chinese elite are unhappy with Xi destroying relations with the west. The recommendation in that article of reducing tensions with the US to avoid sanctions is unlikely to be followed, however - Xi has built up his loyal support base by promoting hot headed nationalists and it would be difficult to reel them in at this point.
It does increase the likelihood of a coup against Xi though. The 20th National Congress of the Communist Party is later this year and will be when Xi formally starts his third term. It is possible that they may be some intrigue during this time.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
Please, Pickman's. This is not the place for mere facts, ok?
Is forcing people into battle to their deaths a better outcome? It was reported by Channel 4 and the BBC at the start of this conflict that Ukrainian troops intercepted males aged 16-65 that were trying to flee Ukraine on trains to escape the war zone and marching them off to the front lines wether they wanted to fight or not. That is totalitarian abuse by the state and a good reason not to support it. As I say, I do not support the state and I am in agreement with what Serge Forward has posted on here about all this. I think we should support things like the ambulance convoy and those trying to help refugees. Unfortunately it would appear that there are no people in Ukraine to support that are not fighting with the state, a part of which are fascist organisations in the military (as with Russia). I believe in people's right to defend themselves against imperialism/invasion but do not support the state or any capitalist system.
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elbows
Well-Known Member
Well theres a number of angles we could look at.
Its possible to claim that Russia is still gaining territory, that talk of them having lost on the ground or got stuck in a stalemate or very long conflict was incredibly premature. As demonstrated by the fact the BBC news narrative started to switch to 'the battle to defend Kyiv' on Friday and we'll no doubt be hearing plenty more about that aspect in the week to come.
In that sense, we might consider claims about Russia winning to be an adjustment to compensate for claims that were made that Ukrainian defeat was not inevitable. Those latter claims should always have been treated with some skepticism due to the context. One aspect of which was that they tended to be made by countries that didnt want to see Ukraine lose but were not going to intervene in a manner that was likely to prevent such an eventuality from happening. So they had an interest in not holding up their hands and saying 'we are leaving Ukraine to their fate' even though in some ways thats exactly what they were doing. "While you make pretty speeches, I'm being cut to shreds" stuff.
We could look at other stuff like one of the stated Russian objectives of stopping Ukraine joining NATO, consider what Zelensky said about that some days ago, and view his statement as a concession to Russia on that issue.
And all sorts of other things I'm not going to waffle on about right now, take your pick.
I dont like to boil things down to simple statements about winning or losing, especially when 'victory' doesnt automatically mean achieving everything you want without losing anything else or ending up weaker in other areas such as political popularity, economic prosperity etc.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I've read your post and looked back at some of our exchanges. I don't agree with your characterisation of my tone but I will bear it in mind in future
In quite recent years (about 10 years ago now) new large gas reserves were discovered in Ukraine (including in the exclusive economic zone in the Black Sea and shale gas in the east and west of Ukraine) and in recent years the Ukrainian ruling class was looking to the western fuel companies (such as Shell and Exxon) to help with harvesting those resources in any large quantity because it lacked the finances, technology and equipment to do so as a relatively poor country.
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spitfire
Walty McWaltface
gosub
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As long as they don't print too many,....be like Minsk all over again
Videofact: Election Commission Members In Minsk Climb Out Of Window Down Stairs With Bags
The election forgers got caught again.
charter97.org
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It would be something of a mis-step for vz
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I think the state/boss class and workers' interests can occasionally overlap, but when they do, class interests are inevitably nullified in the perceived national interest. There are no easy answers to your question, but calling for class truce because of overlapping interests is not it.
US journalist killed.
eta:
www.theguardian.com
eta:
As it happened: Zelenskiy urges Nato to implement no-fly zone
This live blog has now closed. Follow the latest updates on the Russia-Ukraine war here.
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friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
Deserves a thread ban for 24 hrs for behaviour unfitting for the politics forum. If it carries on like this we'll be having group hugs next or, as pbman would say, circle jerks.This shows a good spirit.
Now fight on...
JimW
支那暗杀团
Searched and could still find it in a couple of places on the domestic web but it's clearly been deleted from the more mainstream outlets. A search on Hu Wei also had a sanitised look as I recall him featuring in some other ideological controversy a few years back but details now escape me.
Flavour
hang the bankers
The death of the American journalist will grab some headlines but ultimately it's a nothing.
I'm more worried about how close those missile strikes are getting to Ukraine's western borders. A strike on incoming trucks believed to be carrying weapons is a matter of when, not if, it will happen
I'm more worried about how close those missile strikes are getting to Ukraine's western borders. A strike on incoming trucks believed to be carrying weapons is a matter of when, not if, it will happen
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
US journalist killed.
eta:
As it happened: Zelenskiy urges Nato to implement no-fly zone
This live blog has now closed. Follow the latest updates on the Russia-Ukraine war here.
New York Times issue a rather disappointing 'wasn't one of ours statement'
JimW
支那暗杀团
On a charitable reading that's just getting the facts straight but does seem a bit off.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Classy
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Poor timing
bimble
floofy
The shooting machines that they used to attack that base that’s a very few (7.5?) miles from the border with Poland, those are very accurate precision shooting things ? If one stray bit flew over there by mistake it would probably not mean ww3 though, more likely just get put back over the fence quietly like your neighbours kids football, maybe.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yes. Cruise missiles.
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