Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Apology accepted.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Seems like a cool guy, why shouldn't the people of Tooting have their freedoms.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Is that "Bob" Dobbs to the left of freedom for tooting?
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No, between the t-shirt and the jacket
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Don't want to derail the thread but yes, Churchill, like much of the Briitsh ruling class was pro-fascist (which is why they didn't intervene in Spain - unlike Hitler and Mussolini). The war was not an anti-fascist crusade for them, it was merely about protecting the interests of the British Empire and capital - dealing with a competitor that was perceived to have got too big for it's boots- the Axis Powers. And it's obvious why supporting the British ruling class and it's empire is anti-working class and why opposing them was pro-working class and anti-fascist.
Why do I have to explain this?
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Trust you to notice a tiny detail like that
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's perhaps the most important aspect of the image, showing that Wolfie isn't a pink but a subgenius
Well not really neutral as such, but opposed to all states and ruling classes and for the international working class.
I'm not even properly awake yet. Jeezus.
teqniq
DisMembered
There are many claims on Twitter that the first mayor who was kidnapped is being tortured to try and get him to collaborate:
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Correct. Anti fascism was promoted mainly to get the proles on board. The British government/boss class didn't give a fuck until that nice Mr Hitler meddled with their business interests.
Pete Grafton's book is a good oral history of mainly working class attitudes to WW2: YOU,YOU & YOU! Restored NOW ONLINE
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
That's all very great, but what if the interests of the State overlaps with those of the working class at times? As arguably it does in Ukraine and did in WW2.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Thread on how the Russian regime continually emasculates the army to ensure it's not an internal threat.
Yes, Churchill also praised Mussolini and Hitler and even blamed the victims of the holocaust for their own predicament. I think he only changed his position towards the axis in late 1938.
That's not how I see things
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Toxic Putin is going for bust. The west must stop him before this contagion spreads | Simon Tisdall
If we do not refuse to be blackmailed and step in to stop Russia, Ukraine will only be the start
Mad cunt
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Sooo...how's that hearts and minds thing going, Vova?
If the interests of the state overlap with those of the working class then why didn't the British state/ruling class intervene in Spain ?
No problem.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Different situation entirely. I obviously don't think they always overlap, it's rare, but...
Fair enough. So no overlap at all in the interests of the Ukrainian State and the Ukrainian working class in defeating Putin and preventing an occupation? Their interests in that are completely opposed?
TBH, I think what's going on is pretty complicated and unknown, and throws lots of shibboleths for lots of people into disarray (or at least should) so I'm wary of the same simplistic positions that people have been bringing out for decades. (Also aware of the danger of throwing everything out and the 'it's all new and different now' kinda position as well.)
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I don't think acknowledging that would clash with yer opposition to states in general, for my part in this massive derail.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
gosub
~#
They'll have to write more than Z on the side of their vehicles if they want to win a referendum
Yes they kind of have the same interests there, though how that plays out can be problematic, but I wouldn't say they have the same interests overall and do not agree with supporting the Ukrainian state or holding up Zelensky as some kind of great dude either :
Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm
Not that I would support a 'less corrupt' politician.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Alright but they started it. I arrived at that point and stayed for the lols, was really enjoying AA vs Spy handbags
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
They wouldn't need to win it, just claim they have.
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