Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[cupid_stunt]

Sometimes things are what people say they are, in this case being because of the new russian law in Russia. If you've actual evidence it's in part or wholly because of young Ukrainians' videos then please share it

Well, it's going both, isn't?

People sharing content, including young Ukrainians, which Russia has made illegal.

 

[Pickman's model]

i may be entirely wrong. have never been in less of a mood for a fight than i am right now.

If you think being asked for evidence to support a claim is fighting then it's no wonder you think this is such a combative place

 

[emanymton]

Well, it's going both, isn't?

People sharing content, including young Ukrainians, which Russia has made illegal.

Yeah they are basically the same thing aren't they?

There is a law that makes some of the content (a lot of which will be posted by Uktianies) illegal.

 

[bimble]

If you think being asked for evidence to support a claim is fighting then it's no wonder you think this is such a combative place

good morning. i don't think that about this place, its just that some people are needlessly twattish and i'm not in the mood. There's not even an argument to be had, they are the same thing.

 

[andysays]

Sometimes things are what people say they are, in this case being because of the new russian law in Russia. If you've actual evidence it's in part or wholly because of young Ukrainians' videos then please share it

There was a story on the BBC website a few days ago about (I think) Ukrainian SM "influencers" posting stuff about what was going on in Ukraine which could be read by their followers in Russia.

I didn't read the story, but I would imagine that stuff like that would be a part, however small, of the Russian state's attempt to control the flow of information.

 

[Cid]

If you think being asked for evidence to support a claim is fighting then it's no wonder you think this is such a combative place

It's fair speculation, if flagged as that. We're never going to have evidence of the exact reasons behind changes to TikTok policy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, it's going both, isn't?

People sharing content, including young Ukrainians, which Russia has made illegal.

If you read the second tiktok tweet you posted it talks of new content and livestreaming. There will already be X number of videos out there which they say nothing of taking down. It isn't clear to me atm if this stops people in Russia sharing already existing content from outside Russia, afaics the move affects new content from within Russia. anyway, moving on...

 

[andysays]

More about problems with evacuation

8:47 Evacuation route out of Mariupol was mined, Red Cross says

Dominik Stillhart, director of operations for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), has been speaking with BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Asked what's gone wrong with so-called humanitarian corridors, he said they had been talking to both sides "for days", but problems remained confirming the detail of any ceasefire agreement - to allow civilians out of bombarded cities.

Stillhart said the challenge was to get the two parties to an agreement that is "concrete, actionable and precise". He added that so far there had only been agrements "in principle", which had immediately broken down because they lacked precision, regarding routes and who can use them.

Illustrating his point, he said some ICRC staff had tried to get out of Mariupol along an agreed route on Sunday, but soon realised "the road indicated to them was actually mined. That is why it is so important that the two parties have a precise agreement for us then to be able to facilitate it on the ground."

Worth pointing out that there's no way of knowing who might have been responsible for laying mines in the area

 

[cupid_stunt]

If you read the second tiktok tweet you posted it talks of new content and livestreaming. There will already be X number of videos out there which they say nothing of taking down. It isn't clear to me atm if this stops people in Russia sharing already existing content from outside Russia, afaics the move affects new content from within Russia.

And, if you had read the Guardian link, you would have known they are even blocking old content from outside Russia.

TikTok spokesperson Hilary McQuaide said the app in Russia now appears in “view-only” mode and won’t let people post or see new videos or livestreams. They can still see older videos, but not if they came from outside the country, she said.

 

[bimble]

And, if you had read the Guardian link, you would have known they are even blocking old content from outside Russia.

yes. it looks like this apparently, so that the only videos you can see if you are in Russia are ones made in Russia. Not even old stuff you saved to your account (i have never been on tiktok so not sure how it works but people are replying to the announcement with screenshots like this).

It must feel quite frightening, being cut off like that overnight.

 

[Pickman's model]

And, if you had read the Guardian link, you would have known they are even blocking old content from outside Russia.

that article's one for the guardian down pan thread as i thought it had stopped talking about tik-tok when it started talking about visa, mastercard and american express, rather before the point where your bit appears


and then it returns to tik-tok and you have your quote

so i'm sorry i missed it

 

[frogwoman]

Its also because he has demanded that Tiktok and Netflix host pro government propaganda channels as a condition of being allowed to operate which they refused to do.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It must feel quite frightening, being cut off like that overnight.

Yeah, Putin wants total control over information & news, across all platforms, hopefully with the likes of tiktok, twitter, facebook and overseas news services all disappearing, a lot of Russians will have a 'WTF moment', and wake up to the fact that something isn't quite right.

 

[Cid]

that article's one for the guardian down pan thread as i thought it had stopped talking about tik-tok when it started talking about visa, mastercard and american express, rather before the point where your bit appears

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and then it returns to tik-tok and you have your quote

so i'm sorry i missed it

Likewise... Equally the sidebar currently says 'Russian forces announce ceasefire and open corridors - reports suggest' which er... Probably isn't what I'd lead with on that one. Though they are at lest updating the content on it.

 

[bimble]

Yeah, Putin wants total control over information & news, across all platforms, hopefully with the likes of tiktok, twitter, facebook and overseas news services all disappearing, a lot of Russians will have a 'WTF moment', and wake up to the fact that something isn't quite right.

On the other hand, those people who watch and read lots of stuff from abroad will be the ones who already know something isn't quite right, so maybe the impact wont be that major. It will stop them showing their mum videos from Ukraine though.

 

[teqniq]

A reminder as to why it would be unwise to trust Russia when it comes to 'humanitarian corridors':



E2A:

 

[cupid_stunt]

Allegedly, Anonynous hacked Russian TV and broadcast war footage on all channels.



EDIT: It's not being reported anywhere else, mind, so it could have just been for a few seconds, or only at one transmitter, or not even be real.

EDITEDIT: posted an old tweet by mistake. Updated now.

Earlier I watched an interesting feature about Anonymous on 'TRT World News', it was several minutes long, including an interview with an expert, whilst not confirming that case in particular, he did confirm they had hacked TV channels and hundreds of government related websites in Russia, as part of their declared war on Putin.

 

[Cid]

On the light relief news side, Shaun Walker is saying that the signs in Odessa directing Russians to fuck off are not photoshopped.

 

[Pickman's model]

Likewise... Equally the sidebar currently says 'Russian forces announce ceasefire and open corridors - reports suggest' which er... Probably isn't what I'd lead with on that one. Though they are at lest updating the content on it.

these open corridors seem much misnamed and the evacuations seem to be a ruse to get people into the open to kill

 

[cupid_stunt]

On the light relief news side, Shaun Walker is saying that the signs in Odessa directing Russians to fuck off are not photoshopped.

Yeah, I just posted that, and his follow-up tweet on the memes thread.

Somewhat bizarre to have endless messages in my mentions telling my this is photoshopped and “schooling” me in being able to recognise fakes. I took the photograph myself three hours ago. Here it is from further away.

 

[bimble]

Announcing a safe evacuation and then on purpose using it to kill civilians, how does that make sense strategically when you're trying to win a war?

 

[Cid]

Announcing a safe evacuation and then on purpose using it to kill civilians, how does that make sense strategically when you're trying to win a war?

Because you can blame Ukraine and use it as justification for escalation/domestic propaganda.

This gets a bit into speculation mind you, but think justified.

 

[Sprocket.]

Announcing a safe evacuation and then on purpose using it to kill civilians, how does that make sense strategically when you're trying to win a war?

Because they employ terror on civilians as another weapon.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Because you can blame Ukraine and use it as justification for escalation/domestic propaganda.

Sadly yes, hence they keep blaming Ukraine for the breakdown of these ceasefires.

Which, of course, is both possible but also highly unlikely.

 

[A380]

Anyone have knowledge about how effective the Russian authorities are about identifying and stopping VPNs?

 

[bimble]

Killing people's wives and children in the open seems to me the best way, if one were needed, to further galvanise resistance and guarantee that you will never hold the country even if you win the battle.
As Zelensky said in his response to the shelling of the little family whose photo i wish i hadn't seen, murdered in the street in Irpin, “They were just trying to get out of town. To escape.. We will punish everyone who committed atrocities in this war. There will be no quiet place on this earth for you. Except for the grave.”

 

[nogojones]

john gray is a fucking joke

I do admire a lurker who can keep their head down for the best part of 18 years, only to come out of hiding to cunt off the boards current twat of the year holder.

 

[nogojones]

Maybe the half that are waiting are tapping their watches in western Ukraine

Western Ukraine hold the Russians in even less regard than those in the east

 

[Raheem]

Killing people's wives and children in the open seems to me the best way, if one were needed, to further galvanise resistance and guarantee that you will never hold the country even if you win the battle.

Think they're already a few stops beyond winning hearts and minds.

 

[Pickman's model]

Western Ukraine hold the Russians in even less regard than those in the east

i know. but if they're not in eastern ukraine, and they exist, then they must be there. and if they're not there, wherever could they have vanished to?