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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

I suspect IC3D shoots first and asks questions later.
Literally put a caveat in there so pft
This is where the fash are fighting so worth scrutiny esp whether they are going off piste regarding civilians and tactics. You want to trust them go for it 👍 they are violent neo Nazis fuck them
 
Have we had this yet?

Former minister Alan Duncan says sanctions could lead to 'economic collapse' in west if taken too far​

Sir Alan Duncan, who was Boris Johnson’s deputy in the Foreign Office when Johnson was foreign secretary and who left parliament in 2019, told the Today programme that there was a risk of sanctions against Russia being taken too far if they lead to crippling energy price rises in the west.
Referring to this morning’s spike in wholesale gas prices, he said:
We’ve got to be careful not to sanctions ourselves.
There is this auction of indignation, which all of us totally understand, against anything to do with Russia.
So they ban this, ban that and ban everything, but in the end, we’re going to end up banning our own supplies.
Now, we of course want to disadvantage Russia, as an essential tool of war. But we don’t want to disadvantage ourselves so that we fall into some kind of dystopian economic collapse. We are on the edge of that.
Duncan, a successful oil trader before he became an MP, said that this morning, in the course of just three hours, the price of natural gas on the futures market almost doubled. It has since settled, he said, but he explained why this was so worrying.
What this means is that the companies which supply gas throughout Europe, won’t be able to pay their margin calls in the futures market. They risk going bankrupt within a matter of days.
And the whole process of distribution of gas across Europe, which affects all of us in every single respect, is not just a matter of price now, it’s a matter of the logistics of actually being able to supply it.
And the danger of this massive spike in futures markets is that although the volume might still be there, the corporate mechanisms, the companies needed to keep it moving, will have folded.
Asked if he was talking of the possibility of supplies of gas just not being available, Duncan replied:
Yes, I am. Price in the end you can cope with, although at the moment,we’re looking at gas which is in excess of the equivalent of $600 oil. Now, that’s the price.
But if the effect of that price is destroy the supply, then you have no gas.
And the thing about gas is you cannot substitute it in the way that you can more easily do so with oil. With oil, we can ship it from somewhere else.
 
Literally put a caveat in there so pft
This is where the fash are fighting so worth scrutiny esp whether they are going off piste regarding civilians and tactics. You want to trust them go for it 👍 they are violent neo Nazis fuck them

You didn't put any sort of caveat in your original post, which is why I challenged you on it.

If you actually have any evidence about this, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Otherwise there's a danger that you come across as just backing up Putin's justifications for the invasion, which I hope is not your intention
 
Literally put a caveat in there so pft
This is where the fash are fighting so worth scrutiny esp whether they are going off piste regarding civilians and tactics. You want to trust them go for it 👍 they are violent neo Nazis fuck them
We know there are violent neo Nazis in both Ukraine and Russia. Your caveat was "I may be misremembering" but for such a serious allegation, you have to do better than that. Please substantiate that this is a fascist stronghold and the mayor is fash... or verify that you misremembered and were talking shite.

For the record, I've asked you to substantiate your allegations in an earlier post. You didn't, so I'm not hopeful this time.
 
I've just been speaking to a Polish colleague. He says there were rumours of shortages of petrol/food in Poland when this first started but those seem to have calmed down. He reckons the Polish government is doing very little and it's NGOs/charities/normal people who're putting what support there is in place. He's reasonably far away from the border with Ukraine but says there are a lot of settled Ukrainian families where he is and they're very involved in fundraising/collecting donations.

My company's actually donating a decent sum to charities supporting Ukrainian refugees and is matching any donations made by employees too. They've also stopped doing any business in Russia.
 
Literally put a caveat in there so pft
This is where the fash are fighting so worth scrutiny esp whether they are going off piste regarding civilians and tactics. You want to trust them go for it 👍 they are violent neo Nazis fuck them
the caveat was you need to fact check. what has your fact check revealed?
 
My company's actually donating a decent sum to charities supporting Ukrainian refugees and is matching any donations made by employees too. They've also stopped doing any business in Russia.
So has the company Mrs 2003 works for. They're owed millions by Russian companies-their biggest market.

Redundancies on the way.
 
Obviously this comes with the caviat that the source is a big teller of fibs, but this might suggest a way out:

tbh that may offer a way out but i think that putin has really shafted himself by being so utterly untrustworthy. i think it'd be signing his own death warrant for vz to sign anything like that
 
He's a centrist dad and, a couple of weeks ago, would have counted as pro-Russian.

The mayor of Mariupol, not IC3D.

His party is basically from the ashes of Party of Regions, which was Viktor Yanukovych's party.
Thanks Raheem, so a centrist rather than fash... so I'm wondering what that makes IC3D - a red-brown shitstain, a Putinite disinformation bot or just someone foolishly applying the "scratch a liberal..." saying.
 
tbh that may offer a way out but i think that putin has really shafted himself by being so utterly untrustworthy. i think it'd be signing his own death warrant for vz to sign anything like that

True, but I think he is the only one who could ever deliver it with any legitimacy in Ukraine. Trust can only be gained back now by time and good behaviour.
 
In response to "Is Russia making hostile moves towards Sweden":

Yes, absolutely. Only yesterday, four Russian fighters violated Swedish airspace and were repelled.

This was probably a totally idiotic way of saying “Don’t join NATO, or else”. Russia seems to be run by morons these days.

Our reaction so far has been pretty much “Or else what, exactly? You’re going to come over here and get stuck in ditches at us?”

:D
 
tbh that may offer a way out but i think that putin has really shafted himself by being so utterly untrustworthy. i think it'd be signing his own death warrant for vz to sign anything like that

Also: ""We really are finishing the demilitarisation of Ukraine. We will finish it. But the main thing is that Ukraine ceases its military action. They should stop their military action and then no one will shoot," he said."

May be more behind that than meets the eye. Well, we shall see I suppose.
 
Obviously this comes with the caviat that the source is a big teller of fibs, but this might suggest a way out:


Trouble is, no one can trust a word that comes out of those fuckers, so I am not sure it would be accepted. I think it's probably more a sign that Putin realises he's in trouble.

For those that have met their limit on articles from Reuters, here's the magic link - archive.ph
 
I'm not. He does that when asked to substantiate.

He's done this all the way through Covid, make allegations or statements of a dubious nature (about vaccines especially) been called out to back them up, and has singularly failed to ever do so. Seems to never post more than a short sentence either, never any explanations or argued opinions, just quite weird posts.
 
Little touches like that are going to be a big morale-booster for Ukraine. He knows he doesn't have to say anything, he knows everyone knows what he just did, so it's a way of saying "I get the joke, too", which is going to make people believe he sees the same shit they do, and notices (and cares about) it.

Contrast that with, say, Boris Johnson's heavy-handed attempts to try and say "I'm just like you people, too", and in doing so makes himself look ever more out of touch.
As well as doing it for the lols, the 'we're all in on this joke' morale booster, I think there's an underlying deeper, strategic message: I'm real, there's no fakery here, I'm truthful, what you see is what you get, I'm trustworthy, I'm here with you and for you. The messaging in terms of the nonverbal communication is very strong.
 
I've just been speaking to a Polish colleague. He says there were rumours of shortages of petrol/food in Poland when this first started but those seem to have calmed down. He reckons the Polish government is doing very little and it's NGOs/charities/normal people who're putting what support there is in place. He's reasonably far away from the border with Ukraine but says there are a lot of settled Ukrainian families where he is and they're very involved in fundraising/collecting donations.

My company's actually donating a decent sum to charities supporting Ukrainian refugees and is matching any donations made by employees too. They've also stopped doing any business in Russia.

Former huffpost person Chris York is doing stuff in Warsaw.

 
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