Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[two sheds]

And while president, he delayed sending congressionally-approved military aid to Ukraine, trying to use it as leverage to strong-arm President Volodymyr Zelensky into manufacturing dirt on the Biden family.

Fucking hell I'd forgotten that

New Orleans Four Seasons,

Total Landscaping?

according to the Post. At one point, the former president expressed envy of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, describing Kim’s hold over North Korea as “total control” and saying he was impressed with how Kim’s generals and staff “cowered” in his presence. “His people were sitting at attention,” Trump said. “I looked at my people and said, ‘I want my people to act like that.'”

 

[bimble]

He didn't 'delay' sending military aid he tried to bribe Zelensky for it, military aid in return for dirt on biden. or biden's son. He withheld the military aid asking that Zelensky must 'do him a favour' first, in a perfect phonecall.

 

[likesfish]

Yanks still justified it.

I mean even the brexit party kicked out obvious nutters and criminals. Trump having to pay compo for his Trump university scam should have been the end of him. But the republicans seem to have been hypnotised by Trump all glory to hypno trump

 

[RD2003]

There was a fascinating detail from this podcast (highly recommended) that I heard earlier today - a significant number of the senior officers (and even more of the NCOs) in the Russian armed forces are ethnic Ukrainians:

Currents 055: Paul Goble on Putin's Strategic Mistakes - The Jim Rutt Show

Continuing his series on the situation in Ukraine, Jim talks with Paul Goble, a longtime specialist on ethnic and religious issues in Eurasia.

www.jimruttshow.com

It's like some people have only just discovered that Russia and Ukraine have... long-standing connections and a shared history.

 

[two sheds]

It's like some people have only just discovered that Russia and Ukraine have... long-standing connections and a shared history.

you knew that a significant number of the senior officers (and even more of the NCOs) in the Russian armed forces are ethnic Ukrainians?

 

[RD2003]

you knew that a significant number of the senior officers (and even more of the NCOs) in the Russian armed forces are ethnic Ukrainians?

No, but it doesn't surprise me. I noticed when I was there that at least half the people I met (Russians) had Ukrainian surnames and relatives/ family origins in Ukraine.

It explains both why Russia is doing this and why so many Russians don't like it.

Back then, in the early 1990s, they hardly differentiated between themselves. As I said yesterday, the Russians and Ukrainians (whose first language was Russian, with few of them speaking Ukrainian) I've known living here, hardly used to either.

 

[two sheds]

No, but it doesn't surprise me. I noticed when I was there that at least half the people I met (Russians) had Ukrainian surnames and relatives/ family origins in Ukraine.

It explains both why Russia is doing this and why so many Russians don't like it.

So even though you've visited, you didn't realize that?

But you expect everyone else on urban to realize it. Oh good.

 

[Supine]

Understanding the letter Z. I had been wondering about this for a couple of days. Looks legit?

 

[RD2003]

So even though you've visited, you didn't realize that?

But you expect everyone else on urban to realize it. Oh good.

Don't be precious.

 

[Diamond]

Prof Freedman now very bearish on Russian prospects:

Space and Time

With the costs of war mounting and his army in disarray Putin is running out of options

samf.substack.com

 

[two sheds]

Don't be precious.

You didn't know that a significant number of the senior officers (and even more of the NCOs) in the Russian armed forces are ethnic Ukrainians.

But when someone said they didn't know that, you said "It's like some people have only just discovered that Russia and Ukraine have... long-standing connections and a shared history."

Precious

 

[Crispy]

Allegedly, Anonynous hacked Russian TV and broadcast war footage on all channels.



EDIT: It's not being reported anywhere else, mind, so it could have just been for a few seconds, or only at one transmitter, or not even be real.

EDITEDIT: posted an old tweet by mistake. Updated now.

 

[two sheds]

No, but it doesn't surprise me. I noticed when I was there that at least half the people I met (Russians) had Ukrainian surnames and relatives/ family origins in Ukraine.

It explains both why Russia is doing this and why so many Russians don't like it.

Back then, in the early 1990s, they hardly differentiated between themselves. As I said yesterday, the Russians and Ukrainians (whose first language was Russian, with few of them speaking Ukrainian), hardly used to either.

If you'd said this originally, it would have valuable and contributed to a good understanding of what's going on.

 

[RD2003]

If you'd said this originally, it would have valuable and contributed to a good understanding of what's going on.

I can only apologise.

 

[bimble]

If you'd said this originally, it would have valuable and contributed to a good understanding of what's going on.

no it wouldn't have. Cos it's nonsense.

It explains both why Russia is doing this and why so many Russians don't like it.

How does it explain why Ukraine is fighting like fuck to resist and why 'so many Russians" don't like what Russia is doing? it explains neither.

 

[Weller]

Understanding the letter Z. I had been wondering about this for a couple of days. Looks legit?

Ive been trying to avoid twitter as its getting seriously difficult in this sad fucked up world for me to distinguish between trolling , propaganda and what may actually be happening whatever it is it makes me want to scratch my eyes out or get very drunk

 

[two sheds]

no it wouldn't have. Cos it's nonsense.

How does it explain why Ukraine is fighting like fuck to resist and why 'so many Russians" don't like what Russia is doing? it explains neither.

Dunno - comparison between Russia invading Ukraine and England invading (for example, just as ludicrous comparison) Wales. I could see Wales fighting like fuck to resist and a lot of English people not liking what England were doing.

 

[RD2003]

no it wouldn't have. Cos it's nonsense.

How does it explain why Ukraine is fighting like fuck to resist and why 'so many Russians" don't like what Russia is doing? it explains neither.

Ukraine has had hundreds of millions pumped into it (not to mention arms, which the Russians know are aimed at them) from a western direction to foment an anti-Russian attitude. An attempt to make it a western bulwark against Russia. Enough Ukrainians imagine they're soon going to be on the EU gravy train. Money works.

Many Russians, including more or less all those that currently matter, take the exact opposite view of Ukraine. For them, it's a bulwark against the west.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that, given the longstanding connections between the two places, that there will be Russians who, as I said, hardly differentiate between the two (except, maybe regarding the west of Ukraine), which results in two attitudes which might sometimes overlap-that Ukraine is 'ours' and that 'we shouldn't be fighting because they are our brothers and sisters.' Obviously this can translate into both 'take it back' and 'stop the fighting now.'

 

[bimble]

Allegedly, Anonynous hacked Russian TV and broadcast war footage on all channels.



EDIT: It's not being reported anywhere else, mind, so it could have just been for a few seconds, or only at one transmitter, or not even be real.

Yeah that was a while ago and if real i think it was brief.

 

[Crispy]

EDIT: Meant to post this one

 

[bimble]

Ukraine has had hundreds of millions pumped into it (not to mention arms, which the Russians know are aimed at them) from a western direction to foment an anti-Russian attitude. An attempt to make it a western bulwark against Russia. Enough Ukrainians imagine they're soon going to be on the EU gravy train. Money works.

Many Russians, including more or less all those that currently matter, take the exact opposite view of Ukraine. For them, it's a bulwark against the west.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that, given the longstanding connections between the two places, that there will be Russians who, as I said, hardly differentiate between the two (except, maybe regarding the west of Ukraine), which results in two attitudes which might sometimes overlap-that Ukraine is 'ours' and that 'we shouldn't be fighting because they are our brothers and sisters.' Obviously this can translate into both 'take it back' and 'stop the fighting now.'

I’ll pop you back on ignore after this but if half the population of Ukraine were waiting to welcome their brothers, as per Kremlin thinking and yours, it would have been over by now wouldn’t it.

 

[cardboardspike]

Yes, John Gray was outed as FSB long ago. Amazing how he keeps his career going really.

Calm down.

john gray is a fucking joke

 

[RD2003]

When I first went to the USSR in 1988, I remember somebody saying to me words to the effect that 'I don't believe in Gorbachev, the only difference between him and Dubcek and Nagy is that he doesn't know what's going to happen to him yet. This place will take a millenium to change.' Three years later it had disappeared as a political entity.

A mere thirty years on, the new international order based on that disappearance has just been dealt a fatal blow. Like it or not, Russia matters.

 

[RD2003]

john gray is a fucking joke

Yes, that's why he keeps himself in the media and me and you...post on here.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’ll pop you back on ignore after this but if half the population of Ukraine were waiting to welcome their brothers, as per Kremlin thinking and yours, it would have been over by now wouldn’t it.

Maybe the half that are waiting are tapping their watches in western Ukraine

 

[RD2003]

I’ll pop you back on ignore after this but if half the population of Ukraine were waiting to welcome their brothers, as per Kremlin thinking and yours, it would have been over by now wouldn’t it.

Ever thought you might be out of your depth?

 

[NoXion]

Ever thought you might be out of your depth?

She's got a point though. You mentioned the EU gravy train. What kind of payoff do you think that all the ordinary Ukrainians involved in this fight are expecting?

 

[two sheds]

She's got a point though. You mentioned the EU gravy train. What kind of payoff do you think that all the ordinary Ukrainians involved in this fight are expecting?

yes, quite. Wanting more secure life and food supplies = gravy train

 

[RD2003]

She's got a point though. You mentioned the EU gravy train. What kind of payoff do you think that all the ordinary Ukrainians involved in this fight are expecting?

The ordinary Ukrainians are just there to do the dying.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

yes, quite. Wanting more secure life and food supplies = gravy train

Yeah it's odd this whole gravy train argument. Not wanting to live under a corrupt as fuck kleprocratic puppet regime doesn't mean Ukrainians think they're going to be swimming in Euros.