Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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bimble
floofy
Article by someone who says she’s spoken to many officials inside the Russian government machine who all think this is a disastrous mistake of Putin’s.
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"They’re carefully enunciating the word clusterf*ck"
How Russian officials and members of parliament really feel about Putin’s decision to send troops to Ukraine
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Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Brits go to fight in Ukraine ( Like Bimble I'm not endorsing this )
Grandfather, 42, joins more than 60 Brits to go to Ukraine to fight
More than 60 Brits have reportedly crossed the border into Ukraine from Poland intending to fight the Russian invasion alongside Ukrainian troops.www.dailymail.co.uk
The mail has only published the story under that headline so it’s readers can sneer and tut at the idea of a 42-yr old grandfather.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I don't think anyone is finding it funny that there's a mass exodus of civilians underway, that residential areas are being bombarded and many people have died.
But it's undeniable there have been comedic moments, from 'Russian warship, go fuck yourself' at the very beginning, to the videos shared on social media of Ukranian tractor drivers commandeering Russian military vehicles, including Ukranians who themselves have been chuckling about selling them for scrap, etc. Or videos of millions of pounds worth of Russian military vehicles bogged down in mud.
It boils down to the distinction between laughing with or laughing at people, and admittedly, there's a bit of 'laughing at' going on, eg at the pompous captain of the enormously powerful warship that's told to 'go fuck yourself' by a handful of soldiers at a remote outpost, and at the might of the Russian army coming unstuck, or rather getting stuck, in mud. Otherwise, I think people are laughing with the Ukrainians, many of whom seem to have a dark sense of humour, to be renowned for it as a people. And don't forget, their president is, literally, a comedian.
Ukraine’s Best Defense: Dark Humor
U.S. military advisers, Ukrainian oligarchs and the Russian embassy have left or are packing to leave Ukraine, as the fear of war spreads. Yet I don't know a single person personally, not even a distant acquaintance, who would seriously consider leaving the country right now.
worldcrunch.com
So I don't think any disrespect is intended, I don't think anyone's demonstrating any callous indifference at the suffering of the Ukrainian people. It might also be a matter of urbanites' backgrounds and experiences? I'm guessing those who've served in the forces, or have worked in healthcare or journalism have developed a bit of a dark sense of humour that maybe others who haven't worked in those environments can't really appreciate, and might even find offensive? People who work or have worked in sectors where a lot of bad shit goes down often develop a dark sense of humour as a defence mechanism, a means of lightening the mood, a way of processing and coping with some very grim realities.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Someone I know was a grandfather at 36 and sure that not so long ago 42 wouldn't be an unusual or markworthy at which to be a grandparent
not-bono-ever
meh
The department of perceived slights and Paddington bear hard stares / war studies at strand poly never been quoted as much
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
I knew someone who was a Grandfather at 16. I lived next door at 14 at the time…
andysays
Love and solidarity
People's responses were the inevitable consequences of your actions...
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Hahaha!
I know some find it distasteful and/or disrespectful to laugh at what's going on over there, but he is a comedian, and that's fucking funny.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Losses for the Russian air force continue to mount up:
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Hahaha!
Little touches like that are going to be a big morale-booster for Ukraine. He knows he doesn't have to say anything, he knows everyone knows what he just did, so it's a way of saying "I get the joke, too", which is going to make people believe he sees the same shit they do, and notices (and cares about) it.
Contrast that with, say, Boris Johnson's heavy-handed attempts to try and say "I'm just like you people, too", and in doing so makes himself look ever more out of touch.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Yes, I get it now. Anybody who posts something not widely approved gets shouted down with personal insults in the hope that the poster on the receiving end will be accused of derailing and banned. The bubble remains inflated.
There was no need for you to raise this again when I and everybody else had left it best part of an hour ago.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Ukraine accounts for around 12 per cent of the world's wheat production. And with Russia, together they account for around a quarter of the world's wheat production.
Full on famine might be a stretch, but a grain shortage will lead to increased prices, and when that happens, poor people can't afford bread, and when that happens, you get civil unrest, as has happened previously, eg during food price crisis of 2007-2008 when wheat prices reached record highs and there were 'bread riots' in countries as diverse as Egypt, Bangladesh.
2007–2008 world food price crisis - Wikipedia
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I don't think anyone is finding it funny that there's a mass exodus of civilians underway, that residential areas are being bombarded and many people have died.
But it's undeniable there have been comedic moments, from 'Russian warship, go fuck yourself' at the very beginning, to the videos shared on social media of Ukranian tractor drivers commandeering Russian military vehicles, including Ukranians who themselves have been chuckling about selling them for scrap, etc. Or videos of millions of pounds worth of Russian military vehicles bogged down in mud.
It boils down to the distinction between laughing with or laughing at people, and admittedly, there's a bit of 'laughing at' going on, eg at the pompous captain of the enormously powerful warship that's told to 'go fuck yourself' by a handful of soldiers at a remote outpost, and at the might of the Russian army coming unstuck, or rather getting stuck, in mud. Otherwise, I think people are laughing with the Ukrainians, many of whom seem to have a dark sense of humour, to be renowned for it as a people. And don't forget, their president is, literally, a comedian.
Ukraine’s Best Defense: Dark Humor
U.S. military advisers, Ukrainian oligarchs and the Russian embassy have left or are packing to leave Ukraine, as the fear of war spreads. Yet I don't know a single person personally, not even a distant acquaintance, who would seriously consider leaving the country right now.
So I don't think any disrespect is intended, I don't think anyone's demonstrating any callous indifference at the suffering of the Ukrainian people. It might also be a matter of urbanites' backgrounds and experiences? I'm guessing those who've served in the forces, or have worked in healthcare or journalism have developed a bit of a dark sense of humour that maybe others who haven't worked in those environments can't really appreciate, and might even find offensive? People who work or have worked in sectors where a lot of bad shit goes down often develop a dark sense of humour as a defence mechanism, a means of lightening the mood, a way of processing and coping with some very grim realities.
I appreciate that Ann but it's not really the comedy I'm getting at, I love dark humour, it's what it's representative of. For me, the concentration here on every stuck tank over the laying to waste of people's homes and lives is giving a distorted picture. This thread is the most optimistic place I see reading about the war. Additionally, the humour is representative of humiliation for Putin. This man we all agreed was 'mad', irrational etc a week ago. The man with nuclear codes. Yeah, I don't think humiliation is a great idea, however true it may be.
And yes I watched Threads again last night, 38 years on. I should probably have some valium. In fact I think I will anyway.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I've some good stories involving Hiluxes. No sharing them here though!
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The increase in fuel prices are going to fuck up the cost of food as much as anything, stuff like combines and similar farming machinery burn through a massive amount of diesel and that cost will be passed on. People will kick off about it.Ukraine accounts for around 12 per cent of the world's wheat production. And with Russia, together they account for around a quarter of the world's wheat production.
Full on famine might be a stretch, but a grain shortage will lead to increased prices, and when that happens, poor people can't afford bread, and when that happens, you get civil unrest, as has happened previously, eg during food price crisis of 2007-2008 when wheat prices reached record highs and there were 'bread riots' in countries as diverse as Egypt, Bangladesh.
2007–2008 world food price crisis - Wikipedia
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FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Russia moving into partnership with China over electronic payments after visa pulls out of russia.
I don't know what this means but it's probably not good for the dollar, is it?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Ukraine accounts for around 12 per cent of the world's wheat production. And with Russia, together they account for around a quarter of the world's wheat production.
Full on famine might be a stretch, but a grain shortage will lead to increased prices, and when that happens, poor people can't afford bread, and when that happens, you get civil unrest, as has happened previously, eg during food price crisis of 2007-2008 when wheat prices reached record highs and there were 'bread riots' in countries as diverse as Egypt, Bangladesh.
2007–2008 world food price crisis - Wikipedia
Perhaps that is the intent of this; provoke those disturbances until a local strongman emerges who then gets food and oil from the anti-Western bloc. If it is then I hope financial speculation on this type of thing is stopped right now.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
The woman on the left looks like Jodie Comer who plays assassin Villanelle in the series Killing Eve, a chameleon like character who disguises herself to infiltrate situations and kill her targets in inventive ways and a certain amount of panache.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
There will be some people who profit from this, undoubtedly. Poor people always lose.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They had another article on some Brit fighting , who the family hadn’t heard from , which managed to squeeze in a bit of eye candy of a friend of his wife posing in the kitchen with a phone trying to contact him
bimble
floofy
Military stuff.
samf.substack.com
Again pretty much what kebabking said in terms of diagnoses and predictions, but better written.
"Were it not for the fact that Russia still has the means to make life miserable for ordinary Ukrainians and use its firepower to push those unable to flee down into bunkers, one would say that it is facing defeat."
He (yet another Professor of War Studies, which tbh i had no idea that was even a thing) thinks Putin may be contemplating how to climb down in a face saving way.
Space and Time
With the costs of war mounting and his army in disarray Putin is running out of options
samf.substack.com
Again pretty much what kebabking said in terms of diagnoses and predictions, but better written.
"Were it not for the fact that Russia still has the means to make life miserable for ordinary Ukrainians and use its firepower to push those unable to flee down into bunkers, one would say that it is facing defeat."
He (yet another Professor of War Studies, which tbh i had no idea that was even a thing) thinks Putin may be contemplating how to climb down in a face saving way.
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Truss gets another slap down.
www.theguardian.com
Defence chief contradicts Liz Truss over idea of Britons going to fight in Ukraine
Sir Tony Radakin says it would be unlawful for individuals to travel to offer military help
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Russian civil service is renowned for its open , speak to as many journalists as possible no blame culture .Article by someone who says she’s spoken to many officials inside the Russian government machine who all think this is a disastrous mistake of Putin’s.
Content of the quotes chimes with that fsb letter.
"They’re carefully enunciating the word clusterf*ck"
How Russian officials and members of parliament really feel about Putin’s decision to send troops to Ukraine
petee
no gods, no malarkey
not good for Kentucky teachers' dollars anyway
Kentucky Teachers’ Retirement Fund lost $3M in selling investment in Russian bank
Sberbank saw its shares fall 95 percent this week after the bank announced it was pulling out of the European market.
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
The US possibly moving with one eye on capability to defend the Bosporus:
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Russia release video demonstrating why their planes will get shot down easily:
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
Threads was fucking bleak to watch even before all this kicked off. If you are in any way super anxious about the prospect of nuclear war, then I would give it a miss. It will do nothing for your anxiety; it'll just make things worse.having never seen thrends
i'm guess watching it is not that much fun even without the current climate
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