Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[RD2003]

As I said on the left response thread you give us plenty of blah and try to palm off the cuntitude onto poor Peter hitchens. He doesn't deserve that, not being the cunt here. You on the other hand...

Don't derail/ sabotage the thread once more.

 

[RD2003]

here you go again more than likely Daily Hail link and premoting anything that comes out of that ballbags mouth

On the left thread I did say: ('awaits the predicable 'Hitchens is a cunt' blah blah'...)

 

[existentialist]

Don't derail/ sabotage the thread once more.

Let me guess - you are conducting a special thread operation in order to protect certain parts of the thread from Ukrainian oppression?

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't derail/ sabotage the thread once more.

I haven't derailed or sabotaged it at all. If you are as concerned about the thread as you profess to be, you'll leave it now

 

[Ax^]

was getting told you posting ballocks no enough for you in one thread you had to export it to another?

 

[RD2003]

I haven't derailed or sabotaged it at all. If you are as concerned about the thread as you profess to be, you'll leave it now

So I post up a link and a comment. People jump on it with the usual predictable insults (derailing), and I'm the one who should leave the thread?

 

[Ax^]

of course because you are so vain

you think this thread is about you

 

[Pickman's model]

So I post up a link and a comment. People jump on it with the usual predictable insults (derailing), and I'm the one who should leave the thread?

You create a provocation and then wring your hands and whine when you're taken to task for it. You haven't added any value to this thread at all.

 

[RD2003]

of course because you are so vain

you think this thread is about you

Is that what happened then?

 

[bimble]

you think this thread is about you

People do choose to let exactly that happen. It’s a bit pathetic.

 

[frogwoman]

Fuck sake.

 

[RD2003]

You create a provocation and then wring your hands and whine when you're taken to task for it.

It wasn't a provocation. Are dissenting views published elsewhere now to be arbitrarily declared a provocation?

 

[Aladdin]

That makes no sense.

The stewardess on the left of frame resembles Villanelle the Russian psychopath hit woman in Killing Eve...tv series...

 

[Ax^]

Is that what happened then?

Well I hear you went up to Subotica
And your horse naturally won
Then you flew your lear jet up to novi sad
To see the total eclipse of the sun

You're so vain
You probably think this threads is about you

 

[Pickman's model]

The stewardess on the left of frame resembles Villanelle the Russian psychopath hit woman in Killing Eve...tv series...

I was referring to the text

 

[Louis MacNeice]

So I post up a link and a comment. People jump on it with the usual predictable insults (derailing), and I'm the one who should leave the thread?

But surely you must have known how people were going to react? Wouldn't it be better not to provoke them?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Spymaster]

... poor Peter hitchens

 

[RD2003]

here you go again more than likely Daily Hail link and premoting anything that comes out of that ballbags mouth

It isn't the DMs line by the way. They agree with most of you on this. Hitchens is an outlier.

 

[frogwoman]

Ffs stop ruining threads with this willy waving crap all of you

 

[Pickman's model]

So I post up a link and a comment. People jump on it with the usual predictable insults (derailing), and I'm the one who should leave the thread?

You're not even pretending this adds value to the thread. So for the love of all that's bright and beautiful and worthwhile in the world will you not just piss off this thread and let people who have useful things to say carry on without your bullshit?

 

[A380]

We don’t appear to have had the quote (Attributed to almost every military leader and writer) that.

‘Amateurs talk tactics whilst professionals talk logistics’. And with, a couple of exceptions, we are all amateurs on here. I thought it was better put in one of the tweets upthread. Everyone wants to talk about tanks, but what they should talk about is lorries… Looks like the Ukrainian planners might be professionals.

 

[RD2003]

But surely you must have known how people were going to react? Wouldn't it be better not to provoke them?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

No. It expresses a valid viewpoint and one which has been entirely vindicated.

 

[RD2003]

You're not even pretending this adds value to the thread. So for the love of all that's bright and beautiful and worthwhile in the world will you not just piss off this thread and let people who have useful things to say carry on without your bullshit?

'Useful things to sa'y only equals pro-war views or handwringing fence-sitting?

Is there no room for the occasional anti-war voice?

 

[Cid]

Ignore button people.

 

[RD2003]

Ffs stop ruining threads with this willy waving crap all of you

Seconded.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No. It expresses a valid viewpoint and one which has been entirely vindicated.

Not doing self-awareness or irony then?

I will leave you to it - Louis MacNeice

 

[Aladdin]

But surely you must have known how people were going to react? Wouldn't it be better not to provoke them?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

That's exactly what Mrs Putin said to Vlod last night.

 

[Rimbaud]

Ukraine says more than 11,000 Russian troops killed since invasion began

Ukraine makes the claim on the eleventh day of the Russian invasion

www.independent.co.uk

Obviously can take this with a massive pinch of salt, but according to Ukraine, Russia has lost 11,000 soldiers in the first 11 days.

I'm sure this is exaggerated, but if true, Russia is in 11 days quite close to approaching the number of casualties the USSR suffered in 10 years in Afghanistan (14,500). Gives you some sense of the scale, and as Russia is a much smaller population than the Soviet Union, the loss to Russian society is proportionately much higher too.

They have already lost more tanks than they lost in Afghanistan too, which does certainly seem plausible.

Afghanistan they lost 147 tanks and 451 aircraft, of which 333 helicopters.

According to Ukraine, they have lost 285 tanks, 44 aircraft and 48 helicopters. From the videos going around, it certainly seems plausible that they have lost more tanks than they did in Afghanistan. Not as many aircraft, but already around a quarter of the way there in little over a week.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I don't know - I see a three horse race:

1) Russian artillery mass pummelling Ukrainian cities to appoint where Ukraine surrenders.

2) The Russian Army in Ukraine literally running out of food and fuel, and walking home.

3) the Russian economy tanking/the internal politics in the Kremlin forcing a climb-down or a coup.

It's whether 2 or 3 get to the line before 1.

yep agree - about as good a summary of the situation and where its going as ive seen. thanks. And scenario 2 may help trigger scenario 3.

 

[Flavour]

yep agree - about as good a summary of the situation and where its going as ive seen. thanks. And scenario 2 may help trigger scenario 3.

2 leads to 3, almost inevitably. The main variable is how much shelling Kyiv can withstand without surrendering. Dubious that the Russians would use even a small nuke against it and hope not be proved wrong