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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

I thought this was interesting:


Talks about the corruption in Russian weapons manufacture:


Not sure whether that last sentence is right, but it does remind me of when I worked for a company selling computers in the mid 70s. On Russian contracts they always used to send out a gross of screwdrivers with any system on the principle that flooding the market would mean there there was at least a couple for the actual work. Looks like not a lot has changed :thumbs:

plus a nice little snippet from bellingcat
Familiar to me as well. 1980s, arms factory-those of us who worked on the shop floor nicked a little bit of whatever we could without it flagging up. Managers and foremen used to be spotted by security (who always said fuck all) loading all sorts of materials and equipment into their cars. It was why they were working late.

The main difference with the formerly Communist-ruled societies is that in those it's universal.
 
Anyway, there must be summat going wrong in the world-I'm actually listening to Tangerine Dream tonight, for the first time since I was about 17.
 
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Any more news on this, or did it simply become the World's Longest Military Vehicle Museum?
its classic Russian army doctrine apparently. You launch a failed attack on purpose so your opponents get their morale boosted and capture a load of your equipment. Then you park most of your army in the mud for a week. Its what zhukov did at kursk apparently .
 
Any more news on this, or did it simply become the World's Longest Military Vehicle Museum?
There was a decent video by some American ex-forces guy someone posted a few pages back explaining what they were doing and what the Russian tactics were, and that the convoy and slow progress fitted this plan. Try and find that if you can. They do appear to be setting up bases to launch the attack from, the distance they have stopped at is the range of their artillery and missiles, expect a salvo when they’re good and ready.
 
Flipping crikey, some SKY journalists had a very, very close call here. Scary as fuck. I know journos get a hard time, sometimes justified, but some of them are really sticking their necks on the line to get information out.

CW: they were under accurate fire, no deaths/serious injuries.

A small issue, but I wonder why Sky thought 'let's get that posted up, it's great footage - oh, but let's remove the bad language, people could be offended!'
 
A small issue, but I wonder why Sky thought 'let's get that posted up, it's great footage - oh, but let's remove the bad language, people could be offended!'
Even in the shadow of nuclear war, people still get offended. The offence taken is more important than nuclear incineration. Apparently.

Reminds me of that BBC drama Years and Years where one character was taking up the grandmother character's comments about having a 'little Chinaman' in the family, even as the sirens were going off.

(Worrying to think that the 'unthinkable' scene in that drama is dwarfed by what is actually happening now.)
 


Far right TV channel Tsargrad, famous for its 'top 100 russophobes' award targeting liberal/lefty activists has a nauseating bit of propaganda here
 
Wish people would stop making it about just Putin, as if there's no history of Russian antagonism to having hostile alliances on its borders. Here's some news: it's been going on for centuries and centuries.

Once the west had decided that, needlessly, Russia must be maneouvred into being an enemy again, it was inevitable that a leader like Putin would arise. But it could easily have been somebody else with the same outlook on the world.
Oh,fuck OFF. And that's you on ignore, because I don't want a thread ban before you get one, and you are contributing nothing.
 
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I know PRC are famously opaque in their diplomacy - but I imagine they aren't exactly relishing the thought of a belligerent, resentful, paranoid Russian regime sliding into totalitarianism with a very possibly unhinged leader with his finger on the button.
But PRC does relish the idea of anything that feeds positively into their claims over Taiwan. Russia invading and seizing Ukraine's territory as its own is kind of precedent setting insofar as China's claims over Taiwan go.

China can't lean on Russia to back the fuck off out of Ukraine without effectively undermining its own long-standing claims over Taiwan.

 
He means Ukraine could fall, which would mean the end of his career. Europe won't 'fall.'
 
A lot of people in the former Eastern Bloc are worried by this. Easy to say 'Europe won't fall' from the western half of the continent.

The idea that this is about 'his career' is absurd. Laughable thing to say.
As I said, we're not naive, are we?
 
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