Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
WTWB was in the kids library (as in under 10s) and I was a voracious reader as a kid.
Honestly it shaped most of my politics for the next 20 years
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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WTWB was in the kids library (as in under 10s) and I was a voracious reader as a kid.
Honestly it shaped most of my politics for the next 20 years
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
In Russia, motorcycle owns you etc.
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It forbids the Ukrainian state from sharing them, not from individuals subsequently sharing on them on Twitter. Of course there might be various other reasons for individuals not to share them, but there might be reasons to do so too.
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
While MAD makes it unlikely that either US or Russian leaders will decide 'ah, fuck it, let's blow up the world', it's the misunderstandings and mistrust that could lead down a path to missiles being launched.
In the Cuban Missile Crisis it wasn't Kennedy or Kruschev being all important in their war rooms that bought the world closest to nuclear war, it was an anti-aircraft gunner shooting at a plane he shouldn't have and a nuclear armed submarine running into trouble that came closest to kicking things off.
Twice in 1983 it could've all gone wrong. First when a glitchy satellite told the Soviets the US had launched against them (the world famously being saved by Stanislav Petrov, who figured it was a glitchy satellite and didn't report the supposed launch, which could've triggered a full Soviet response). The second time was NATO's Able Archer 83 military exercises, which the Soviets were concerned was the preparation for an actual nuclear attack (there's debate over how close that was, but it was too close).
This is why it's dangerously irresponsible for Putin to be willy waving with his nuclear weapons. It makes the possibility of the end of the fucking world that bit closer. I don't expect he actually intends to use them. But then I didn't expect him to do something as fucking stupid as launch a full invasion of Ukraine and yet here we are
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Sure. Nothing is going to happen to you if you share them. Journos do it all the time and the article I linked shared an image. But it's a moral line, that's the point, and may make people think twice.
He could try CBT
thanks for the laugh. I read that as CBD.. Someone should feed him some CBD muffins. Chill the fucker out.
He's an Australian.
Mick Ryan - Modern War Institute
MWI Adjunct Scholar Maj. Gen. Mick Ryan (Australian Army) graduated from the Royal Military College, Duntroon, in 1989. He has commanded Army units at the Troop, Squadron, Regiment, Task Force, and […]mwi.usma.edu
Q & A: Major General Mick Ryan
This Q&A is a transcript of a recent podcast between Major General Mick Ryan, AM, Commander Australian Defence College and Defence Connect which can be viewed here. Phil Tarrant: Oh, good day!www.defenceconnect.com.au
My mistake. Still a worthwhile view, I think.
I hope this is the case.
elbows
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This is why it's dangerously irresponsible for Putin to be willy waving with his nuclear weapons. It makes the possibility of the end of the fucking world that bit closer. I don't expect he actually intends to use them. But then I didn't expect him to do something as fucking stupid as launch a full invasion of Ukraine and yet here we are
I never say never about stuff and I dont think humans are a good fit with any nuclear technology, just like I think we are poor custodians of the planet, so I'd much rather the whole lot had been ditched long before I was born. And yes, events and escalations mean we can end up sliding into things that were unintended. But I resist taking those sorts of possibilities very far in my mind unless/until clear indications have become more obvious about such a fate. As for how likely I thought it was that Putin would launch this invasion, I didnt get much time to consider it because the first I heard about the escalation was when the USA etc released intelligence about what he was planning, and that always seemed credible stuff to me from the first moment I heard about it.
elbows
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I'm always baffled that more people dont see through this stuff or at least get a strong sense of deja vu when the 'madman' angles are adopted in such vulgar style at times like these in the press etc. These patterns arent subtle.
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It's likely related to the specifications from officials at Polish, Romanian etc border crossings as to where non-Ukrainian and non-EU passport holders should be sent by train.
In short, I wouldn't rush to blame the Ukrainian guards.
Weller
So ermm ... You know ermm
This is the bit that worries me too Its a worrying escalation he doesn't now seem worried about making the type of threats to the world that North Korea make
At least a new long return to the cold war days , the 80s were very worrying times and never thought I would hear a world leader besides the likes of Kim Jong un Kim Jong-un use these threats again to a world especially when actually at war
He has obviously still got lots of horrific conventional mass murder weaponry he could still use towards his crazy goal or legacy if he really is losing and powerful enough to stop those around him halting him
Perhaps even conventional weapons weve never seen before as hes hinted at too but surely wont using those be a huge risk towards a preemptive attack on Russia and the possibility of an all out nuclear conflict
On a bit of lighter note but not much as seen it mentioned I also have When wind blows book by Raymond Briggs the cartoon movie is well worth streaming too excellent read or watc though frightening reality of nuclear war
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discokermit
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If its them doing it, its them doing it.
not-bono-ever
meh
You are allowed to join this war if you like. Just this one tho
Nice to see consistency from our leaders
discokermit
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when have cavalry officers been anything but cunts?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I wonder what Biden thinks? His frame of reference will at least start with Kennedy and the Cuban missiles crisis. I don't see this going nuclear, but Biden will start thinking he has a 'role' to play if things deteriorate.
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HaveMyPassword123
Doing what? Stopping people getting on the wrong train?
Anyone watching sky news they have expert on talking about the invasion and Russia Nuclears and said the Nuclear weapons Russia have could wipeout London and Washington and other big cities quite fighting really
Yep. This has always been the case though. The world's nuclear powers have amassed more than enough weapons to destroy civilisation several times over. Despite the decommissioning of some in the 90s.
gosub
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Well they might miss
RileyOBlimey
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If anyone wants to get a bit more insight into the inner workings of Putin this is a worthwhile read: Mr. Putin By Fiona Hill | New | 9780815726173 | World of Books
It’s written by Fiona Hill a working class England woman from the north east who fucked off the UK for the US and via academia and intelligence work rose up the ranks of the NSC. Citing the UK class system for her leaving for the states.
It’s written by Fiona Hill a working class England woman from the north east who fucked off the UK for the US and via academia and intelligence work rose up the ranks of the NSC. Citing the UK class system for her leaving for the states.
discokermit
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you are inventing excuses for them out of thin air. if the polish border people phone through and tell the ukrainians no africans, cos polish border officials are as racist as anyone else in europe, and the ukrainians do the actual work of stopping them embarking, then its the ukrainians face that the african sees dooming him or her to their fate. following orders or not.
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RileyOBlimey
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If you think the prospect of nuclear war is bad, I hate to inform you we’re likely to get Liz Truss as prime minister.
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Sending people to border crossings where they won't be allowed to cross isn't helping them is it? Ukrainians have visa-free Schengen privileges, International students don't.
If a border guard at Heathrow stops a foreign student from joining the British passport holders line, are they automatically racist, or are they trying to stop them waiting in a queue only to be turned away.
It's not like anyone near the Western borders is in immediate danger anyway.
Three day old article, accurately predicting the escalating alert level move from putin and explaining why it is legit scary.
How Ukraine Could Become a Nuclear Crisis
Chaos creates countless opportunities for mistakes.www.theatlantic.com
Not actually read it yet. But the potential for miscalculations, judgement clouded by misinformation, would seem to be how such a disaster could unfold. Who's around Putin, what are his generals going to tell him or advise if things go very wrong for meeting his objectives. What end game does he foresee in this adventure and paths out of it. If a Nato / EU armed Ukrainion defence seriously thwart his designs and it is inescapably obvious to the Russian populous how well it's all going, what's his way out.
Might save it for some cheery late night reading...
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