Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[keybored]

I hope he got himself very far away from Russia before he sent all that stuff.

I'm not sure there's anywhere far enough but wherever it is you'd want to keep your head down for the rest of your days. The helicopter pilot who defected got as far as Spain... so not really that far but it would seem to be his carelessness that done for him, rather than his proximity to Russia (Ukrainian officials claiming he would have been safer staying in Ukraine).

Russian pilot Maxim Kuzminov who defected to Ukraine 'shot dead' in Spain

Maxim Kuzminov - who fled Russia on a military helicopter - was found dead in Spain, according to reports.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Spymaster]

It's like bloody Sunday and the ballymurphy massacre never happened. That our state would never sweep the truth under the carpet for decades. And if British forces behave like that in the UK, if they murder children without repercussions, it's a big ask to argue they'll behave better abroad.

Both over 50 years ago. Can you point to any more recent instances of British Forces deliberately murdering children with no repercussions?

 

[Pickman's model]

Both over 50 years ago. Can you point to any more recent instances of British Forces deliberately murdering children with no repercussions?

Yes eg Army and police accused of cover up over use of plastic bullets e2a you've lost none of your goalpost shifting talent I note

 

[Pickman's model]

You're forgetting Purgatory me old mucker. That can take yonks.

But up and up and up you go.

 

[Pickman's model]

Both over 50 years ago. Can you point to any more recent instances of British Forces deliberately murdering children with no repercussions?

Not to mention at least 64 children killed in Afghanistan At least 64 children killed in UK military Afghan operations

 

[Spymaster]

Yes eg Army and police accused of cover up over use of plastic bullets

Is that it?

Possible negligence or recklessness in the use of baton rounds nearly 50 years ago?

Hardly supportive of the picture you paint of a British forces policy deliberately murdering kids.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is that it?

Possible negligence or recklessness in the use of baton rounds nearly 50 years ago?

Hardly supportive of the picture you paint of a British forces policy deliberately murdering kids.

You introduced the deliberate bit. I said murdering children without repercussions.

 

[Spymaster]

Not to mention at least 64 children killed in Afghanistan At least 64 children killed in UK military Afghan operations

Any evidence that any of these were 'murdered by British forces'?

Has it even been suggested that they were murdered?

 

[Spymaster]

You introduced the deliberate bit. I said murdering children without repercussions.

Murdering is a deliberate act by definition.

 

[Pickman's model]

Murdering is a deliberate act by definition.

Release your inner pedant

 

[Pickman's model]

Any evidence that any of these were 'murdered by British forces'?

Has it even been suggested that they were murdered?

Clearly it has as I believe I said that above

 

[Spymaster]

Clearly it has as I believe I said that above

I mean by anyone who views the subject sensibly.

 

[Pickman's model]

I mean by anyone who views the subject sensibly.

If by sensibly you mean an indifferent observer I don't suppose such a person exists. If as you suggest the soldiers were careless about who they killed I don't believe that's really a moral victory to claim

 

[Spymaster]

If as you suggest the soldiers were careless about who they killed I don't believe that's really a moral victory to claim

You may think that, but it's not murder.

 

[Pickman's model]

You may think that, but it's not murder.

The traditional second part of the phrase is 'but I couldn't possibly comment'

 

[Chz]

It's times like this I'm proud we have Pickman's. Honestly. Come the message board wars, we'll unleash him on Reddit and the fuckers won't know what hit them.

 

[Chz]

Ukraine shows off their new anti-drone defence system.

Watch: Ukrainian angler hurls fish at Russian drone

Footage shows a direct hit to the device which almost takes it down

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[The39thStep]

Ukraine shows off their new anti-drone defence system.

Watch: Ukrainian angler hurls fish at Russian drone

Footage shows a direct hit to the device which almost takes it down

www.telegraph.co.uk

Did NATO supply that weapon?

 

[Pickman's model]

Did NATO supply that weapon?

Sure we'll be herring more about it

 

[Elpenor]

Did NATO supply that weapon?

Dont tell him Pike

 

[Fez909]

Did NATO supply that weapon?

No, it was the North Black Sea Shoal-iance

 

[The39thStep]

Dont tell him Pike

It’s a tench situation

 

[StoneRoad]

Stop flounder-ing around ...
There's a time & plaice for everything

/gets coat

 

[TopCat]

Nato should stop seeking new foes and face its main enemy – Moscow | Simon Tisdall

The 75-year alliance is at a perilous crux after a summit that failed to deliver for Kyiv or confront the threat Putin poses to Europe’s east

www.theguardian.com

The maximalist line pushed hard.

 

[The39thStep]

Nato should stop seeking new foes and face its main enemy – Moscow | Simon Tisdall

The 75-year alliance is at a perilous crux after a summit that failed to deliver for Kyiv or confront the threat Putin poses to Europe’s east

www.theguardian.com

The maximalist line pushed hard.

Blimey "Macron deserves credit for demonstrating that Europe’s rising tide of intolerant nationalist-populism can be turned back."

 

[Dogsauce]

I hope he got himself very far away from Russia before he sent all that stuff.

It’s quite possible he doesn’t exist and they got the information through other means such as hacking, but merely creating a story of there being a mole in the ranks of bomber pilots/targeters is somewhat useful for their cause. Here’s hoping Russia starts bumping them off until the information leaks stop.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Here’s hoping Russia starts bumping them off until the information leaks stop.

Why would that be a good idea?

 

[StoneRoad]

Why would that be a good idea?

Perhaps because it takes a lot of time [years] & resources to fully train a military pilot.
and it would save Ukraine a few missiles ...

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Perhaps because it takes a lot of time [years] & resources to fully train a military pilot.
and it would save Ukraine a few missiles ...

Sorry. Being a bit slow tonight.

 

[Dogsauce]

Perhaps because it takes a lot of time [years] & resources to fully train a military pilot.
and it would save Ukraine a few missiles ...

That and it will waste a lot of investigative time, and the time of any potential suspects, if they take the bait and believe they have someone disloyal in their midst. And those named in the leak as being on the team bombing hospitals may also need to review their security arrangements, given Ukraine had undertaken successful assassinations of military figures on Russian soil. It’s just a nice bit of disruption that may interfere with the murderous day job.