Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Spymaster]

Krtek is having a disagreement with an ill thought out post ...

I guess it makes a change to see you harassing a boke on here rather than the women.

 

[krtek a houby]

I guess it makes a change to see you harassing a boke on here rather than the women.

Calling out a stupid and ill informed post isn't harassment.

Then again, you'd know all about harassing women here.

Telling their partners to keep them in line.

Every accusation from you is an admittance to your ways.

 

[Spymaster]

Telling their partners to keep them in line.

You'll be able to quote me doing that then.

Carry on.

 

[cupid_stunt]

FFS you two, I like the both of you, but please stop this silly childish derail.

 

[Pickman's model]

Carry on.

Sadly neither of you are carry on stalwarts. Tho I often read your posts hearing them in frankie howerd's voice

 

[krtek a houby]

FFS you two, I like the both of you, but please stop this silly childish derail.

But he started it, miss

 

[StoneRoad]

you two, stfu ...
stop derailing the thread.

 

[Pickman's model]

you two, stfu ...
stop derailing the thread.

Pics or stfu

 

[krtek a houby]

You'll be able to quote me doing that then.

Carry on.

Really really think it would destroy the last of your tawdry credibility if I posted up your well documented bullying of Rutita1 here.

But, in fairness, this is a derail, so will put you back on ignore.

Apologies for replying to the bait, everyone.

 

[StoneRoad]

ION - has anyone seen whether the F-16s have arrived in Ukraine ?

 

[Spymaster]

Really really think it would destroy the last of your tawdry credibility if I posted up your well documented bullying of Rutita1 here.

If it would, you wouldn't think twice about posting it, you bullshitting turd.

 

[krtek a houby]

If it would, you wouldn't think twice about posting it, you bullshitting turd.

I'd fucking love to, but have been advised against it to save your sorry skin, you sad sac.

 

[Spymaster]

I'd fucking love to, but have been advised against it to save your sorry skin, you sad sac.

Of course you have!

So much for ignore.

 

[editor]

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Any more wildly off topic personal attacks will result in warnings

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course you have!

So much for ignore.

Those of us in mutual ignore know its limitations

 

[TopCat]

MODERATOR MODE

Any more wildly off topic personal attacks will result in warnings

Didn’t you just tell a poster to fuck off?

 

[two sheds]

That was an on-topic fuck off though wasn't it?

 

[krtek a houby]

Didn’t you just tell a poster to fuck off?

It's fine. Emotive topic, we all got to sound off on occasions. Despite 20 years or more, there will be sparring and upsets.

No grudges to be held.

(Mostly)

 

[Ax^]

does mutual ignore only work if you can resist reading and replying to the other member of the mutual ignore

if you have no self control it pretty pointless exercise

but then again so is winning the interwebz

 

[editor]

MODERATOR MODE

Some posters clearly think the rules don't apply to them and they can keep up off topic personal comments or attacks,
This is a last warning.

 

[Fez909]

ION - has anyone seen whether the F-16s have arrived in Ukraine ?

 

[TopCat]

Will the jet’s be a game changer for Ukraine? First F-16 jets heading to Ukraine after months of training and negotiations

 

[Aladdin]

NATO: China has become 'decisive enabler' of war in Ukraine...​

NATO: China has become 'decisive enabler' of war in Ukraine

It is the first time all the group's allies have stated this so clearly in a statement approved by all 32 members of the alliance at the NATO summit in Washington.

www.euronews.com

It is the first time all the group's allies have stated this so clearly in a statement approved by all 32 members of the alliance at the NATO summit in Washington.


Needless to say..China denies this.

"Beijing insists that it does not provide military aid to Russia but has maintained strong trade ties with its northern neighbour throughout the conflict. It also accuses NATO of overreaching and inciting confrontation in the Indo-Pacific region."

So ... what's that about??? NATO just puffing up its feathers?

 

[Chz]

Will the jet’s be a game changer for Ukraine? First F-16 jets heading to Ukraine after months of training and negotiations

No, not at all. But they do enhance their capability on the defensive quite a lot. More powerful airborne radars to detect incoming strikes, and a limited capacity to shoot some down. It will keep Russian pilots on their toes and reduce the amount of time they spend near the front lines. It's just not enough to make an offensive difference in the theatre as it is. Russian air defence is still too strong to loiter near the lines. (and HIMARS is having an impact, but there is a lot of Russian air defence, not to mention the F-16s can't stand 1:1 vs. the MiG-31s at range)

 

[DownwardDog]

Tsk. The Danish and Dutch F-16s were manufactured by Sabca at Charleroi and Fokker at Schiphol. They were not American made.

 

[DownwardDog]

Will the jet’s be a game changer for Ukraine? First F-16 jets heading to Ukraine after months of training and negotiations

Not really. F-16/AIM-120 gets them close to par with Su-35/Adder but... the UkrAF F-16 force is full of first tour nuggets and export variant AIM-120s cost about $1m every time they expend one so they aren't going to be able to fire them off with their customary profligacy.

 

[T & P]

Keir Starmer gives go-ahead for British missiles to be used in strikes against targets inside Russia

The decision over the use of Storm Shadow missiles, which has been welcomed by Ukraine, represents a hawkish shift in policy from the stance taken by the former Conservative government.

news.sky.com

Say, what's the range of a Storm Shadow? Could they hit the Kremlin, or Putin's palace on the Black Sea shore?

 

[Pickman's model]

Keir Starmer gives go-ahead for British missiles to be used in strikes against targets inside Russia

The decision over the use of Storm Shadow missiles, which has been welcomed by Ukraine, represents a hawkish shift in policy from the stance taken by the former Conservative government.

news.sky.com

Say, what's the range of a Storm Shadow? Could they hit the Kremlin, or Putin's palace on the Black Sea shore?

depends where you launch them from

 

[StoneRoad]

Storm Shadow range - approx 250 km / 155 miles to 550 km / 340 miles.
I assume that might depend on configuration / fuel load ... and how they were launched.

Storm Shadow - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ukraine claimed these were used to inflict specific damage to the BSF HQ in Sevastapol and the dry-docked "Rostov on Don" submarine ...

 

[Crispy]

Keir Starmer gives go-ahead for British missiles to be used in strikes against targets inside Russia

The decision over the use of Storm Shadow missiles, which has been welcomed by Ukraine, represents a hawkish shift in policy from the stance taken by the former Conservative government.

news.sky.com

Say, what's the range of a Storm Shadow? Could they hit the Kremlin, or Putin's palace on the Black Sea shore?

Doesn't matter, because despite Starmer giving the nod, Biden still says "no targetting Russia with NATO long-range weapons."

NATO's timid piecemeal response has been such a gift to Russia. If the alliance's full effort had been made right from the start, the war could well have been over by now. Instead it's been drip drip drip and Russia has had plenty of time to adapt to each new weapon or capability.

There's a good quote in this WSJ article:

For Ukraine, time is an essential factor—and the carefully limited and gradual introduction of many Western systems has provided Russia with the ability to minimize their impact. "Warfare is about the speed of adaptation," said retired Air Marshal Edward Stringer, a former head of operations at the British Ministry of Defense. "If you drip-feed an antibiotic weekly, you'll actually train the pathogen—and we have trained the pathogen….We didn't need to give them that time, but we did."