Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[TopCat]

What do you think Ukraine should do then?

Negotiations for a ceasefire and take it from there.

 

[TopCat]

Give half the country to Russia.

Go on, do that joke again about nato

 

[krtek a houby]

Negotiations for a ceasefire and take it from there.

Ok

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Give half the country to Russia.

Negotiations for a ceasefire and take it from there.

 

[TopCat]

Isn’t there a thread for memes related to the war?
You know, for people who like to keep it simple?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Negotiations for a ceasefire and take it from there.

How about backing them to liberate their country?

 

[kebabking]

How about backing them to liberate their country?

Don't be ridiculous - how then would Russia, and it's shills in the West, win?

I mean, you've got to be realistic about the desired outcome...

 

[JimW]

Korean munitions predictably shit but there is a lot of them: Quantity over quality What the Kremlin’s new defense pact with North Korea means for the Russian army fighting in Ukraine — Meduza

 

[Chz]

Korean munitions predictably shit but there is a lot of them: Quantity over quality What the Kremlin’s new defense pact with North Korea means for the Russian army fighting in Ukraine — Meduza

If the shells are of the quality that the article suggests, they may - long term - do more harm to the Russian front line in terms of supply issues for needing more shells to do the job, more frequent barrel replacements, actual danger to Russian troops, etc. But that's not a lot of help short term to the people they're being fired at, and that's if the quality is what's being said (or worse).

 

[The39thStep]

Don't be ridiculous - how then would Russia, and it's shills in the West, win?

I mean, you've got to be realistic about the desired outcome...

I see they've opened up a second front in Clacton

 

[Pickman's model]

I see they've opened up a second front in Clacton

'rage's army parade on the sea front every day at 6

 

[kabbes]

Given that Russia’s conditions for a ceasefire are, in essence, “give us half the country”, I’d say that describing “negotiate for a ceasefire and take it from there” as being identical to “give half the country to Russia” is actually pretty accurate.

 

[ska invita]

How about backing them to liberate their country?

how do you do that?

 

[Pickman's model]

how do you do that?

Type messages onto internet boards more than a thousand miles from ukraine's western borders I suppose

 

[Pickman's model]

If the shells are of the quality that the article suggests, they may - long term - do more harm to the Russian front line in terms of supply issues for needing more shells to do the job, more frequent barrel replacements, actual danger to Russian troops, etc. But that's not a lot of help short term to the people they're being fired at, and that's if the quality is what's being said (or worse).

In the long term we're all dead
--j maynard keynes

 

[T & P]

Negotiations for a ceasefire and take it from there.

Out of curiosity, what do you think Russia should do to end the war?

 

[Pickman's model]

Out of curiosity, what do you think Russia should do to end the war?

For me and I suspect for TopCat negotiations would have to occur before an armistice and then further negotiations would occur before peace resumes - that's certainly how I'd envisage it and any suggestion of a unilateral Russian withdrawal from current positions seems like pie in the sky thinking

 

[sleaterkinney]

how do you do that?

Give them enough weapons to make a difference. Not just defensive ones.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Given that Russia’s conditions for a ceasefire are, in essence, “give us half the country”, I’d say that describing “negotiate for a ceasefire and take it from there” as being identical to “give half the country to Russia” is actually pretty accurate.

Give them half the country for now and let them regroup and come back for the rest later.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Out of curiosity, what do you think Russia should do to end the war?

Apart from ending the war? There's really no answer to that is there?

 

[Pickman's model]

Give them enough weapons to make a difference. Not just defensive ones.

What weapons have you given them?

 

[TopCat]

Give them enough weapons to make a difference. Not just defensive ones.

What weapons do you think would make that difference?

 

[Spymaster]

What weapons do you think would make that difference?

Air defence systems and artillery/ammunition.

Fucking pour it in.

 

[Pickman's model]

Air defence systems and artillery/ammunition.

Fucking pour it in.

It's all very well shipping Ukraine all this material but it is rather harder to supply them with people to use it

 

[Spymaster]

It's all very well shipping Ukraine all this material but it is rather harder to supply them with people to use it

That won't be necessary if donors stop fucking about and give it to them quickly enough.

The solution to their dwindling manpower is to kill attacking Russians at a far greater rate. At the moment they have the manpower but not the weaponry.

 

[TopCat]

Air defence systems and artillery/ammunition.

Fucking pour it in.

You got the big tranche of weapons you were waiting ages for. What difference did they make? Why would more weapons achieve success?

 

[The39thStep]

What weapons have you given them?

Bile

 

[sleaterkinney]

You got the big tranche of weapons you were waiting ages for. What difference did they make? Why would more weapons achieve success?

Why is Putin getting weapons from NK if they don't make a difference?

 

[Spymaster]

You got the big tranche of weapons you were waiting ages for. What difference did they make? Why would more weapons achieve success?

Why do you think that Russia has made the territorial gains that they have?

 

[Elpenor]

Why do you think that Russia has made the territorial gains that they have?

Supportive posts on urban account for at least half the gains