Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[agricola]

Liz Truss announced that the Foreign Office is preparing a "hit list" of Russian oligarchs to be targeted by sanctions in the coming months, with new names added every few weeks.

"have you got out of the country yet?"

 

[bimble]

On a lighter note, it may have been better to keep Russia in euro vision, as it may have led to an a clean sweep of nul points for their entry and a resounding triumph for Ukraine's. Watched by millions from Moscow to vladyvoststock

I have been waiting all morning for half an excuse to post this, and your post will do fine.

 

[Pickman's model]

There might be - its not too late for Putin to understand how catastrophic and entirely self-defeating this was for him and to change course - but a lot of the potential outcomes are bad.

If he changes course he definitely loses Crimea and the new 'independent states': and power

 

[Artaxerxes]

Liz Truss announced that the Foreign Office is preparing a "hit list" of Russian oligarchs to be targeted by sanctions in the coming months, with new names added every few weeks.

Months?

Kiev is burning right now you slow fucks

 

[SpookyFrank]

Liz Truss announced that the Foreign Office is preparing a "hit list" of Russian oligarchs to be targeted by sanctions in the coming months, with new names added every few weeks.

Must make sure they've got plenty of warning so they can squirrel away their assets first. Trebles all round for London's accountants.

 

[Aladdin]

Can't see the Ukrainians sharing that view, don't think they'll rest till there's not a living Russian soldier in the country

Oh..totally agree.
I should have clarified that I meant the Russians.

 

[agricola]

If he changes course he definitely loses Crimea and the new 'independent states': and power

I don't think he does - have that as a negotiating position (as in Ukraine recognizes the independent states and Crimea going to Russia (the independent states going to Russia too, probably) and a promise from them and NATO not to join in X years in exchange for a full withdrawal and he could even now walk away and claim he's "won". Its certainly better than staying there and either getting humiliated or end up killing huge numbers of people.

 

[nogojones]

Lol lots of commentary on a Russian meme page about how Facebook has (according to Putin) been involved in violating fundamental human rights and personal freedoms in Russia

'And we even know which person'

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"Snakes everywhere" complains Putin.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think he does - have that as a negotiating position (as in Ukraine recognizes the independent states and Crimea going to Russia (the independent states going to Russia too, probably) and a promise from them and NATO not to join in X years in exchange for a full withdrawal and he could even now walk away and claim he's "won". Its certainly better than staying there and either getting humiliated or end up killing huge numbers of people.

Yeh. But that's a big big ask

 

[agricola]

Yeh. But that's a big big ask

Indeed, but he has dug such a very big hole for himself.

 

[Pickman's model]

"Snakes everywhere" complains Putin.

Snakes in the Kremlin could be a sequel to snakes on a plane

 

[Diamond]

Lots of seemingly authoritative sounding people on Twitter continue to be baffled by the Russian tactics. Looks like they are doing large-scale ground offensives using largely just infantry now, which many seem to have as somewhere between risky and reckless:







On the plus side, the fearsome Turkish drones that were decisive in the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict have gone to work on some of the Russian columns. I've never been quite sure why these drones are so high impact but they clearly did some damage here:

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed, but he has dug such a very big hole for himself.

One which puts Boris Johnson's to shame

 

[Artaxerxes]

"Snakes everywhere" complains Putin.

“Am I out of touch? No it’s the children who are wrong”

 

[Diamond]

Looks like the Kharkiv ground assault, such as it was, has probably now failed.

Spoiler: Aftermath of battle

 

[zahir]

I have been waiting all morning for half an excuse to post this, and your post will do fine.

The TV series that launched his political career:

 

[dilute micro]

Lots of seemingly authoritative sounding people on Twitter continue to be baffled by the Russian tactics. Looks like they are doing large-scale ground offensives using largely just infantry now, which many seem to have as somewhere between risky and reckless:

If they don't have tanks and such backing them up it's only a matter of time for Ukrainians to home in on them. According to Wesley Clark, Russia's tactic is to spread out and feel where the enemy is. This could be that type of thing I guess.

 

[ffsear]

CUNTS!

Has the An-225 Mriya, the largest aircraft in the world, been destroyed by Russian bombing in Ukraine?

A clash between Russian and Ukrainian helicopters allegedly took place over Hostomel Airport. According to unconfirmed reports, the only existing An-225

www.aviation24.be

World's largest plane 'destroyed during Kiev airport battle' — reports

There are fears the world's largest transport plane has been destroyed during fighting in Ukraine.

www.heraldscotland.com

 

[The39thStep]

From Politico this morning

On Sunday morning, President Zelenskiy’s office announced the formation of a new unit, the International Legion of the Territorial Defense of Ukraine, to be made up of foreigners who wish to fight for the country. “Anyone who wants to join the defense of security in Europe and the world can come and stand side by side with Ukrainians against the invaders of the 21st century,” Zelenskiy said in a statement.

“Foreigners willing to defend Ukraine and world order as part of the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine, I invite you to contact foreign diplomatic missions of Ukraine in your respective countries,” Foreign Affairs Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Twitter. “Together we defeated Hitler, and we will defeat Putin, too.”

 

[Supine]

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Crimea is a good example of the 'unnatural' boundaries of so much of the ex-Soviet Union. After Russian conquest in the 18th century the population was mixed, Russian and Crimean Tatar, and others. After WW2 Stalin and his pals deported all the Crimean Tatars to central Asia, along with other minorities, Greeks, Italians, Germans, etc. It was only in 1954 (I think) that Krushchev 'gifted' the Crimea to the Ukraine. Previously it was part of the Russian Federation. If the Tatars, the ones who survived the brutal deportation, had been allowed back the ethnic balance would have been very different. But they weren't and most of them are still in Uzbekistan. So who does Crimea belong to? Fuck knows.

 

[steveo87]

...

 

[Shechemite]

Where's casually red gone?

His spirit lives

 

[Pickman's model]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60542877?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=621b4871980bea49f4b7a418%26UK%20foreign%20secretary%20-%20we%20will%20support%20Brits%20heading%20to%20fight%262022-02-27T10%3A32%3A16.700Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:66afebfb-385b-4a05-9eb1-f853d1407e9a&pinned_post_asset_id=621b4871980bea49f4b7a418&pinned_post_type=share

Expect a U-turn by this time tomorrow...

Your URL not durable

 

[Pickman's model]

His spirit lives

Sure we all send fraternal greetings to anti-fascists in Ukraine and Russia

 

[cupid_stunt]

Turkey, who have been fluffing around for the last few days, have finally decided the war is, err, a war.

Turkey referred to the Russian invasion as a “war” on Sunday, marking a strengthening of its rhetoric that could pave the way for a blockade of Russian ships through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits connecting the Mediterranean and Black Sea.

“On the fourth day of the Ukraine war, we repeat president Erdogan’s call for an immediate halt of Russian attacks and the start of ceasefire negotiations,” presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said on Twitter.

By accepting it's war, they now have the right to limiting Russian warships moving between the Black Sea & the Mediterranean, although they would still have to let Russian warships into the Black Sea, if that's their home base.

LINK

 

[platinumsage]

Germany double their defence budget, finally meeting the NATO requirement of 2% that Trump admonished them for failing to deliver. Not sure this is what Putin had in mind.

 

[Pickman's model]

Turkey, who have been fluffing around for the last few days, have finally decided the war is, err, a war.



By accepting it's war, they now have the right to limiting Russian warships moving between the Black Sea & the Mediterranean, although they would still have to let Russian warships into the Black Sea, if that's their home base.

LINK

But equally this would I suppose prevent NATO ships from non-black sea countries from passing the bosphorus

 

[Aladdin]

The TV series that launched his political career:

Any idea if that's on Netflix?

 

[emanymton]

Looks like the Kharkiv ground assault, such as it was, has probably now failed.

Spoiler: Aftermath of battle

There is a difference between failing and not succeding yet.