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Sorry, read that and all that comes to mind is Luke Skywalker facing off Kylo Ren at the end of The Last Jedi
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
No it doesn't
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh? And who do you feel should gain it?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
His bathroom's like Fort Knox, it'll take a direct hit to inconvenience himteuchter will be OK, he'll just lock himself in the bathroom and refuse to come out
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Starmer’s Labour Party ?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I agree there has been no mention. I wasn’t suggesting otherwise. It also makes sense the distinguishing between military and criminal law and the exemption in European arrest warrants.
That being the case the removal of consular services to Ukraine men abroad is not a big stick.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Though the current visa exemption in the UK will run out in the next few years and that might be a problem for those affected.
Edited to add: it’s a three year exemption with a possibility of an eighteen month extension. Not sure if the extension has to be signed off by the Ukrainian consular services.
Edited to add: it’s a three year exemption with a possibility of an eighteen month extension. Not sure if the extension has to be signed off by the Ukrainian consular services.
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ska invita
back on the other side
Ive read commentators saying it has a good chance of becoming independent in the mid future for a variety of reasons
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
The Azov brigade might welcome the return of a strong Prussian presence in the region
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
interesting map so Estonia Latvia and Lithuania are just parts of Russia now
give the fella the Rhineland eh
gosub
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Lukashenko already talked about doing it...reckoned it would be easy....is actually further than Russia has managed to annex post 2018
gosub
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If they'd gone to Portugal they could work a raspberry passport in 3 years
Is going to be a headache for the UK, can't deny that
Raheem
Well-Known Member
It's a cornerstone of Putinism that the whole reason America started the war in Ukraine is to precipitate the breakup of Russia. According to Nikolai Patrushev (chair of the Russian Security Council) this is because North America will become uninhabitable in the coming decades due a volcanic eruption (a known scientific fact that the Americans are suppressing) and so they want Siberia as a place to resettle in.hmm who is on this thread asking for the break up of Russia
ska invita
back on the other side
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I doubt you are going to reveal to us in unambiguous terms the option that you consider the best.
ska invita
back on the other side
Dont worry im sure NATO will leave Ukraine in great shape once they move on....perhaps they might even get a legacy of open slave markets, executions and torture like they bestowed on Libya
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
its a graphic of the suwalki gap but great effort on the comment!
aye that why I mentioned Lithuania ...
you are aware were the gap is aren't you fella
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Anyone who's been keeping up with the situation in Kaliningrad - and the Finnish border - will be aware that both of those areas have been almost completely stripped of Russian forces, and have been for two years....
There's no doubt that Russia has an armoured force capable of punching from Belarus to Kaliningrad (the Suwalki gap, effectively a 60km line along the Polish-Lithuanian border) but whether it has the force to sustain that land bridge in the face of the Polish Army and Air Force is a very different question. There's also a German-lead NATO battle group in Lithuania, which spends a lot of its time in the area of the Suwalki gap.
So there are two questions - does Old Vlad fancy going to war with NATO, on NATO territory, and does Lukashenko want to go to war with NATO, on NATO territory, and to what degree would he allow Belarus forces to be co opted into this Russian attack? Vlad I think is probably keener than Lukashenko, and I don't think Lukashenko is very keen at all...
They can avoid the Suwalki gap and problems with Belarus and go from Russia proper, but it means going through both Latvia and Lithuania. Both have significant NATO forces there - and this is the beauty of the Forward Presence - it's not about the combat capability of eFP that Russia would face, it's that any conflict with that force inevitably means killing Americans, and French, and Finns, and Swedes, and Germans, and Brits, and would bring a response that the Russian force trying to maintain it's position would find difficult to deal with.
Russia absolutely does not have the forces required to fight a Polish armoured division and it's air force in Ukraine, and fight even a limited conflict with NATO (even a US-less NATO) in and around the Baltic states - of course, whether Old Vlad knows that is a different question...
There's no doubt that Russia has an armoured force capable of punching from Belarus to Kaliningrad (the Suwalki gap, effectively a 60km line along the Polish-Lithuanian border) but whether it has the force to sustain that land bridge in the face of the Polish Army and Air Force is a very different question. There's also a German-lead NATO battle group in Lithuania, which spends a lot of its time in the area of the Suwalki gap.
So there are two questions - does Old Vlad fancy going to war with NATO, on NATO territory, and does Lukashenko want to go to war with NATO, on NATO territory, and to what degree would he allow Belarus forces to be co opted into this Russian attack? Vlad I think is probably keener than Lukashenko, and I don't think Lukashenko is very keen at all...
They can avoid the Suwalki gap and problems with Belarus and go from Russia proper, but it means going through both Latvia and Lithuania. Both have significant NATO forces there - and this is the beauty of the Forward Presence - it's not about the combat capability of eFP that Russia would face, it's that any conflict with that force inevitably means killing Americans, and French, and Finns, and Swedes, and Germans, and Brits, and would bring a response that the Russian force trying to maintain it's position would find difficult to deal with.
Russia absolutely does not have the forces required to fight a Polish armoured division and it's air force in Ukraine, and fight even a limited conflict with NATO (even a US-less NATO) in and around the Baltic states - of course, whether Old Vlad knows that is a different question...
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
discokermit
Well-Known Member
and what happens when these troops get beaten?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
here just mention the Azov bridge every couple of pages
gosub
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Yellowstone
Lukashenko discusses possible attack on Suwałki Gap
Self-proclaimed Belarusian president Alexander Lukashenko has been discussing a possible attack on the Suwałki Gap, the territory of Lithuania and Poland located between Belarus and Russia’s Kaliningrad Oblast.
www.pravda.com.ua
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Russia haven't been able to take Ukraine. Why do you think they'd prevail over a broader NATO force?
Let's be honest, this whole malarky has shown to the world that Russia are actually a bit shit militarily, and are a lot more bark than bite.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
cosmic vibes.
discokermit
Well-Known Member
theres lots of reasons but ive got a glass of guiness and a packet of pork crunch on the go so i cant be arsed.
but whatever the ins and outs, what would happen if they did prevail?
but whatever the ins and outs, what would happen if they did prevail?
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