Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[Ax^]

Can you imagine awaking this morning and find yourself annoyed by the same subject as the Maga asshats yesterday evening

that must of been a fun morning but as always do not back down from being right

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And you're someone else who could profit from remedial thread reading.

If you say so.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you say so.

I do. Anyone paying the slightest attention to the thread saw me name the guardian.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh, OK.

 

[The39thStep]

Following swiftly from the new conscription legislation

 

[TopCat]

Following swiftly from the new conscription legislation

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Will they apply for extradition for reluctant conscripts I wonder?

 

[Pickman's model]

Following swiftly from the new conscription legislation

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living abroad does not release the motherland from its obligations to the citizen

 

[TopCat]

living abroad does not release the motherland from its obligations to the citizen

Well no one liable for conscription will get a new passport or visa applications supported. The UK deport when a passport expires no?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well no one liable for conscription will get a new passport or visa applications supported. The UK deport when a passport expires no?

there'll be many people who recall all this when the war is over, the termination of which may coincide with the end of z's domestic political career

 

[TopCat]

Article on Ukrainian men risking death to escape the draft. In Ukraine’s West, Draft Dodgers Run, and Swim, to Avoid the War

 

[The39thStep]

Will they apply for extradition for reluctant conscripts I wonder?

Not sure what the legal basis would be for that tbh

 

[klang]

Not sure what the legal basis would be for that tbh

Ukraine declaring war on Britain over this would certainly throw a bit of spice into the mix.

 

[TopCat]

Not sure what the legal basis would be for that tbh

Breach of Ukrainians laws I would have thought. We deport masses of Polish people at their governments request, many for unpaid fines too.

 

[TopCat]

This refers to UK to Poland extraditions. Bit out of date but relevant for the speed and lack of agency for those being sent back.

The UK can confidently be expected to carry out any such requests.

Have we seen the last extraditions to Poland?

www.5sah.co.uk

 

[TopCat]

Do any of the Pro Ukrainian posters disagree with the prospect of the UK extraditing people so they can be sent to the war? Without more troops the Ukrainians will lose sooner.

 

[cesare]

Do any of the Pro Ukrainian posters disagree with the prospect of the UK extraditing people so they can be sent to the war? Without more troops the Ukrainians will lose sooner.

What's a Pro Ukrainian poster?

 

[Pickman's model]

What's a Pro Ukrainian poster?

Usually a3 portrait

 

[TopCat]

What's a Pro Ukrainian poster?

Some one who cheers on the Ukrainian armed forces, calls for more arms to be supplied, speculates on the exciting prospect of breaking up Russia, thinks US force projection is a good thing.

 

[TopCat]

Usually a3 portrait

Depicting some dead Ukrainian Nazi

 

[cesare]

Some one who cheers on the Ukrainian armed forces, calls for more arms to be supplied, speculates on the exciting prospect of breaking up Russia, thinks US force projection is a good thing.

Cheers. So a pro Russian poster does similar?

 

[TopCat]

Cheers. So a pro Russian poster does similar?

You would have to ask others on the thread. However it’s been repeatedly asserted that a lack of condemnation towards Russia is equal to being a supporter not only of Russia but also of rape, murder, I can’t recollect the rest, it was a grim list.

 

[TopCat]

But I think a reasonable view would be that if you flipped the trait list I put up, it would equal a pro Russian poster.

 

[TopCat]

Anyway. The Guardian have quite a decent, well informed article. Lots about Ukrainian defence lines getting outflanked but also at the end some idea of the numbers of Ukrainian men liable for conscription who reside throughout the EU. It is much higher than I thought and the article breaks it down to eligible men. Russian forces make significant gains in eastern Ukraine

 

[andysays]

Anyway. The Guardian have quite a decent, well informed article. Lots about Ukrainian defence lines getting outflanked but also at the end some idea of the numbers of Ukrainian men liable for conscription who reside throughout the EU. It is much higher than I thought and the article breaks it down to eligible men. Russian forces make significant gains in eastern Ukraine

this BBC story has the same statistics.

Neither story has any suggestion that Ukraine will be asking EU states or anyone else to extradite Ukrainian nationals liable for conscription though, so I think you might be getting a bit ahead of yourself there...

 

[teuchter]

I'm a pro Ukrainian poster in that I'd ideally like to see Russia pushed fully out of Ukraine. I would not be happy with the prospect of Ukrainians getting extradited from the UK. I think I am in favour of professional, paid troops from European nations going to assist in Ukraine, such that they have a realistic chance of "defeating" the Russian invasion. In fact I think it probably should already have happened. I'm not certain about all of this but it looks like the least bad of various very bad options.

 

[The39thStep]

Breach of Ukrainians laws I would have thought. We deport masses of Polish people at their governments request, many for unpaid fines too.

I might be entirely on the wrong track but there was a spate of fake letters about Ukrainians abroad being sent back in Autumn last year and when fact checked it was said that offences under military law that are not offences under criminal law, like desertion, disobeying an order or avoiding conscription don't apply for European warrants for extradition under the European Convention.
Obviously, if they are raking up unpaid fines that's a different matter.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I'm a pro Ukrainian poster in that I'd ideally like to see Russia pushed fully out of Ukraine. I would not be happy with the prospect of Ukrainians getting extradited from the UK. I think I am in favour of professional, paid troops from European nations going to assist in Ukraine, such that they have a realistic chance of "defeating" the Russian invasion. In fact I think it probably should already have happened. I'm not certain about all of this but it looks like the least bad of various very bad options.

I think those professional paid troops are called "armies". It would certainly be an option next to other bad options. They spent the whole cold war training for what would happen when we went head to head with the Russians, I'm sure Vlad will have no issue with this.

 

[Raheem]

I think the standard thing is that you can't be extradited for an offence that wouldn't carry a prison sentence in the country you are in. So, you can't be extradited for draft-dodging if the country you have gone to is not drafty.

 

[ska invita]

I'm not certain about all of this but it looks like the least bad of various very bad options.

a good option if you want the war to spread across europe
this would make a nice new frontline once Polish troops go in



and anyone thinking IT WILL BE FINE and wants to take the risk is fucking insane and/or safely in an armchair a long way away from the fighting

 

[Silas Loom]

a good option if you want the war to spread across europe
this would make a nice new frontline once Polish troops go in

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and anyone thinking IT WILL BE FINE and wants to take the risk is fucking insane and/or safely in an armchair a long way away from the fighting

Must admit, I’m looking forward to them losing Konigsberg.