Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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if something is taken in parts in a legislature or other meeting it is divided into sections for the purposes of voting rather than being taken as a whole. this is what has happened to the big bill the senate passed to the house of representatives, that the majority leader in the house hadn't been able to progress it so he divided it into separate laws for the purposes of voting. please ask next time you don't understand something.look at a document before it was broken down
so confusing
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andysays
Love and solidarity
This article has a rather more sober assessment than some on this thread
Ukraine aid package could help Kyiv slow Russia’s advance
Yossarian
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How Russia has destroyed the industries in eastern Ukraine it promised to save
With the destruction this year of a major factory producing coking coal, which is burned to mill iron ore into steel in blast furnaces, the Donbas region’s steel industry is now wholly demolished. Other industries — like those producing chemicals, machinery and fertilizer — have been significantly degraded.
...In the towns that sprang up around mines and factories, migrant laborers from western Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere in Moscow’s empire turned to Russian as a lingua franca, while surrounding villages continued to speak Ukrainian. Russia justified its full-scale invasion two years ago in part by asserting without evidence that Ukraine was repressing Russian speakers in the eastern towns.
In the post-Soviet period, Russia used propaganda to stir resentment against Kyiv for factory closures and falling salaries in this rust-belt region, blaming Ukraine’s government for the economic woes. As Russia appealed to eastern Ukrainians to revolt and join Russia, it promised to revive the region’s industry — no matter that Russia’s own one-factory towns have suffered social and economic ills similar to those in Ukraine.
I hadn't known that Donetsk was founded by a Welsh businessman and was originally known as Hughes Town
With the destruction this year of a major factory producing coking coal, which is burned to mill iron ore into steel in blast furnaces, the Donbas region’s steel industry is now wholly demolished. Other industries — like those producing chemicals, machinery and fertilizer — have been significantly degraded.
...In the towns that sprang up around mines and factories, migrant laborers from western Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere in Moscow’s empire turned to Russian as a lingua franca, while surrounding villages continued to speak Ukrainian. Russia justified its full-scale invasion two years ago in part by asserting without evidence that Ukraine was repressing Russian speakers in the eastern towns.
In the post-Soviet period, Russia used propaganda to stir resentment against Kyiv for factory closures and falling salaries in this rust-belt region, blaming Ukraine’s government for the economic woes. As Russia appealed to eastern Ukrainians to revolt and join Russia, it promised to revive the region’s industry — no matter that Russia’s own one-factory towns have suffered social and economic ills similar to those in Ukraine.
I hadn't known that Donetsk was founded by a Welsh businessman and was originally known as Hughes Town
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being as $23bn of the headline $61bn is going straight to buy things for american forces i daresay the impact of the funds will be rather less than our gallant allies had been hoping for. in any case, weapons rather rely upon people to employ them, in the main, and no amount of ballistic missiles will make up for the shortages in personnel the ukrainians have adverted in the extension of the conscription law to people aged 25 & over. we've been talking for months about the probability of funding being reduced for ukraine should trump re-enter the white house so this may be the last roll of the dice before the november election.
Yossarian
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The TikTok bill also included the REPO Act, which allows the US to transfer frozen Russian assets to a fund for Ukraine
Under the bill, the President must require U.S. financial institutions to notify the Department of the Treasury of any Russian sovereign assets located at such institutions. The President may confiscate any such assets subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Confiscated funds and the proceeds of liquidated property must be deposited into the Ukraine Support Fund established by the bill.
Under the bill, the President must require U.S. financial institutions to notify the Department of the Treasury of any Russian sovereign assets located at such institutions. The President may confiscate any such assets subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Confiscated funds and the proceeds of liquidated property must be deposited into the Ukraine Support Fund established by the bill.
gosub
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Its pork barrelling...that's how US politics works
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
I thought pork barrelling was where a politician directs national/regional spending to their local area to win votes.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Yes, this is horse trading.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think it has several interpretations - the local issue tacked onto random bills is one, and a common one, but random issues tacked onto random bills isn't exactly uncommon either.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
So what's hamster molesting then?
andysays
Love and solidarity
And given that the assessments are that this aid will likely only be enough to stop or slow Russian advances rather than drive them out of the areas they've invaded, there's every chance that Ukraine will unfortunately be in essentially the same situation in another six months or so.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Ask Clinton
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
Feigned sympathy for the residents of an invaded country who would be much better off if they just learned to live with the facts on the ground.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
George or Hilary?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
George?
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just so
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discokermit
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george clinton is the greatest of all clintons.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I don't know. Clinton Baptiste has a remarkable talent.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Clinton Cards was the best Clinton, now it's only Card Factory or massively expensive shite that you must buy to let people know you care a smidge more than Card Factory.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I hope you ain't holding your breath for an answer on this one.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
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I did.
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