Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[discokermit]

So you're OK with tens of thousands of young men being needlessly slaughtered if you believe the tactic is "successful" for Russia?

not at all. you seem to be happy to continue it though.

 

[Chz]

i don't think it is anywhere near that. russians are firing, from western accounts, between five to one and ten to one more artillery, the biggest cause of casualties in this war. add to that all the bombs they are dropping.
if the ukranians were suffering between five and ten losses for every russian one, i would not be surprised.

The Ukrainians would be. They'd be manning the front with mannequins! You don't seem to know much about the lethality of artillery to dug in troops. Which is that unless one lands in the foxhole, anyone is extremely unlikely be hurt. Artillery absolutely shreds bare flesh in open field, but there's been very, very little of that going in the past 9 months or so. Mostly because of what the artillery does.

 

[editor]

This is just pure misrepresentation, of a kind which is all too common across certain threads.

A really responsible moderator would be taking people to task for this sort of thing, but you yourself are one of the worst culprits.

As such you bear a significant responsibility for the toxic nature of this thread.

It's a reasonable question given the tone of his previous posts across this thread.

Funny how you've made no call for a "really responsible moderator" to chastise someone accusing me of having serious mental health issues yesterday. I guess in your world of highly selective outrage you must think that kind of behaviour is totally reasonable.

 

[editor]

not at all. you seem to be happy to continue it though.

I'd like Russia to withdraw immediately. Don't you?

 

[discokermit]

I'd like Russia to withdraw immediately. Don't you?

Absolutely nothing you say on any topic is of the slightest interest to me, so you are literally wasting your time and energy typing out whatever patronising, condescending and misrepresentational rubbish comes to your barely active mind, because I won't read it, react to it, or care about it.

This has been a public service announcement. Goodbye.

 

[Pickman's model]

You seem to be a bit slow to let this fact sink in, so let me remind you one last time, You've been on ignore for over two years now.

Absolutely nothing you say on any topic is of the slightest interest to me, so you are literally wasting your time and energy typing out whatever patronising, condescending and misrepresentational rubbish comes to your over active mind, because I won't read it, react to it, or care about it.

This has been a public service announcement. Goodbye.

I wish I could believe a word you said but a simple search shows your assertion for the tissue of fibs it is. As ever, if you are going to post bollocks like on ignore for over two years, it's best to say something that can't be disproved so very easily. You said I'd been on ignore for more than a year in '22 but that hadn't stopped you from replying to me dozens of times in that period. I can see no more reason to believe you now than then. And if you're going to tell barefaced lies like this to my face what else are you lying about?

 

[editor]

Absolutely nothing you say on any topic is of the slightest interest to me, so you are literally wasting your time and energy typing out whatever patronising, condescending and misrepresentational rubbish comes to your barely active mind, because I won't read it, react to it, or care about it.

This has been a public service announcement. Goodbye.

I figured it would be another question you'd be too cowardly to respond to.

Are you going to apologise for your mental health slur?

 

[Rob Ray]

Tbf you can have someone on ignore and occasionally hit the button to see all posts.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not a betting man, I abhor gambling, but if I were in Black Dolphin without chance of parole, then yes, I would have.

Ah - your reference to wager an infelicity I see

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbf you can have someone on ignore and occasionally hit the button to see all posts.

Yeh. But replying dozens of times to them and then telling them they've been on ignore for a year or more, that's something very special

 

[Pickman's model]

i don't think it is anywhere near that. russians are firing, from western accounts, between five to one and ten to one more artillery, the biggest cause of casualties in this war. add to that all the bombs they are dropping.
if the ukranians were suffering between five and ten losses for every russian one, i would not be surprised.

Tbh the big difference likely to be something like medical evacuation, which I suspect is better among Ukrainian forces than Russian. I very much doubt much in the way of medical support is provided for eg Russian cannon fodder convict combatants

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Ah - your reference to wager an infelicity I see

How so?

 

[TopCat]

The megalomania is worsening. It would be annoying if not so transparently stupid.

 

[discokermit]

I figured it would be another question you'd be too cowardly to respond to.

Are you going to apologise for your mental health slur?

Absolutely nothing you say on any topic is of the slightest interest to me, so you are literally wasting your time and energy typing out whatever patronising, condescending and misrepresentational rubbish comes to your barely active mind, because I won't read it, react to it, or care about it.

This has been a public service announcement. Goodbye.

 

[Pickman's model]

How so?

I thought it a clever play on wagner/wager with convicts taking a gamble on surviving 6 months but now I see it was just a typo

 

[discokermit]

Tbh the big difference likely to be something like medical evacuation, which I suspect is better among Ukrainian forces than Russian. I very much doubt much in the way of medical support is provided for eg Russian cannon fodder convict combatants

saw a report from a ukrainian the other day saying medical evacuation was barely happening for them.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I thought it a clever play on wagner/wager with convicts taking a gamble on surviving 6 months but now I see it was just a typo

Oh right.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh right.

As you're a poster with a history of wit I must say I'm disappointed

 

[TopCat]

The numbers of injured would be interesting. People will likely survive an anti personnel mine with just the loss of a leg if treated fairly promptly. Given the Ukrainians advanced on foot during their failed counter offensive I would expect many thousands of one legged enraged nationalists. Judging by photos many were returned to the front to continue fighting.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

As you're a poster with a history of wit I must say I'm disappointed

I do get it now, and yeah, it ain't bad, but am tired, still jet-lagged after a couple of weeks away and whacked from coming home to 8,000 emails that I am still wading through. Not a lack of wit per se, just didn't spot the typo.

 

[Chz]

The numbers of injured would be interesting. People will likely survive an anti personnel mine with just the loss of a leg if treated fairly promptly. Given the Ukrainians advanced on foot during their failed counter offensive I would expect many thousands of one legged enraged nationalists. Judging by photos many were returned to the front to continue fighting.

Undoubtedly there are many amputees, but not as many as you might expect. The Russian minefields are reportedly mostly anti-tank/vehicle mines. On the basis that meatbags advancing without vehicle cover are dead from the artillery strike anyhow. You can still get a leg blown off by being next to something that runs over one though.

 

[TopCat]

Undoubtedly there are many amputees, but not as many as you might expect. The Russian minefields are reportedly mostly anti-tank/vehicle mines. On the basis that meatbags advancing without vehicle cover are dead from the artillery strike anyhow. You can still get a leg blown off by being next to something that runs over one though.

Meatbags? Really? These are people.

 

[Chz]

Meatbags? Really? These are people.

Not to explosives, they're not.
ETA: This is why anti-personnel mines were banned. Indiscriminate loss of life and limb. Now fair enough, Russia never signed up, but Ukraine did and they've definitely been seen using them.

 

[editor]

Absolutely nothing you say on any topic is of the slightest interest to me, so you are literally wasting your time and energy typing out whatever patronising, condescending and misrepresentational rubbish comes to your barely active mind, because I won't read it, react to it, or care about it.

This has been a public service announcement. Goodbye.

Seeing as you're now just disrupting the thread by parroting the same thing, we're now on mutual ignore.

 

[editor]

Yeh. But replying dozens of times to them and then telling them they've been on ignore for a year or more, that's something very special

That's a total lie, but let's make it official then. We're now both on mutual ignore. Bye!

 

[editor]

Meanwhile, Russia continues to target civilians

A Russian missile attack has killed 14 people in the city of Chernihiv in northern Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials.
Ukraine's interior minister said there were more than 60 injured in the attack, which hit an eight-storey building in a densely populated area.
Three missiles had struck close to the centre of the city, officials said.

Ukraine war: Fourteen dead in Russian missile strike on Chernihiv

Dozens more people are wounded in the attack close to the centre of Chernihiv, officials say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[TopCat]

Not to explosives, they're not.
ETA: This is why anti-personnel mines were banned. Indiscriminate loss of life and limb. Now fair enough, Russia never signed up, but Ukraine did and they've definitely been seen using them.

Ok I see why you used the term. I wasn’t aware Ukraine had signed up to the ban on these mines. It has been widely reported that the Ukrainians were mining vast swathes of land behind their front trenches. I guess rules of war are absurd and adherence is patchy at best.

 

[Dogsauce]

Ok I see why you used the term. I wasn’t aware Ukraine had signed up to the ban on these mines. It has been widely reported that the Ukrainians were mining vast swathes of land behind their front trenches. I guess rules of war are absurd and adherence is patchy at best.

Anti-vehicle mines aren’t banned, and both sides are using them in abundance. They’re a useful defensive tool so I doubt either side would relinquish this capability. Russia was deploying them remotely using specialised artillery which can mine areas from a distance, and recently Ukraine had been deploying them with drones, which is a problem for the Russians when they think a route had been cleared.

Ukraine is now the most mined country in the world which will be a legacy lasting years, and is already killing farmers on a regular basis. Just another consequence of this unnecessary invasion.

 

[Chz]

Anti-vehicle mines aren’t banned, and both sides are using them in abundance. They’re a useful defensive tool so I doubt either side would relinquish this capability. Russia was deploying them remotely using specialised artillery which can mine areas from a distance, and recently Ukraine had been deploying them with drones, which is a problem for the Russians when they think a route had been cleared.

Ukraine is now the most mined country in the world which will be a legacy lasting years, and is already killing farmers on a regular basis. Just another consequence of this unnecessary invasion.

The worst part for any eventual clean-up is that both sides have been using the banned "butterfly" AP mines, that are notoriously difficult to get rid of after the fact.

PFM-1 mine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TopCat]

Human rights watch reported on mine use in Ukraine and on the treaty being contravened by the Ukrainian armed forces.

• Human Rights Watch documented Ukrainian forces repeatedly used rocket-delivered PFM antipersonnel blast mines in attacks on and around the city of Izium during the summer months of 2022 when Russian forces controlled the city and its environs.
  • Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Oleksandr Polishchuk responded by letter to Human Rights Watch’s questions about Ukrainian forces’ use of PFM antipersonnel mines, saying that Ukrainian authorities cannot comment on the types of weapons used during the armed conflict “before the end of the war and the restoration of our sovereignty and territorial integrity.”[5]
  • On January 31, 2023, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Human Rights Watch’s findings “will be duly studied by the competent authorities of Ukraine.”[6]
  • The use of antipersonnel mines by Ukraine is a violation of the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty, to which Ukraine is party.